RE: Collaboration with theists?
November 3, 2009 at 8:04 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2009 at 8:08 pm by fr0d0.)
(November 3, 2009 at 1:21 pm)Secularone Wrote:(November 3, 2009 at 6:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I find it odd you have to call me a lair SO. I didn't say you were _doing_ anything extremist. I said your ideas were extremist and would lead to extremism. Completely different. I'm sure Hitler would've used similar coercion, comparing good people with great causes - like we wouldn't 100% support those ideals.
But fr0d0, here's what you wrote in post #30... the post where you clearly characterized me as an extremist.
(November 2, 2009 at 6:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: What you're doing is masking your extremism. That's where fundamentalism begins, with the respectable face. That for now you settle in a 'reasonable' camp does not dilute the strength of your message. You seem discontent that people, not extremists, call you on your extremism. That's because what you're promoting is disgusting and couldn't take off if everyone knew your real motives.
Sorry, fr0d0, but referring to "my extremism" is the equivalent to calling me an extremist. The reason I find you to be a liar is that you lie. You can't even keep the story straight from one post to the next. Here's more...
(November 3, 2009 at 6:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't seek to silence you. You continue to use that despite the fact I've said the opposite. Again: I fully support anyone's right to extreme views.
Wow! Again you imply I'm an extremist by referring to my "extreme views."
Yes SecularOne.. those are my words I was referring to in what you think was contradiction. You clearly very badly misunderstand me.
(November 3, 2009 at 1:21 pm)Secularone Wrote: But there's more...
(November 3, 2009 at 6:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote: What you're doing is like the polar opposite of Fred Phelps' followers actions. I personally abhor Fred Phelps' beliefs, and I would protest against them. You are not like me though, you hate just like he does.
Well, fr0d0, you really sound like you are full of hate. And comparing me with an extremist like Fred Phelps is nothing more than an attempt to disenfranchise me, an attempt to discourage others from entertaining what I have to say. In other words, to silence my voice.
Actually, in some respects, I am glad that you are so vicious in your posts to me. You undermine your own credibility. There is nothing reasonable about your approach and any objective person can see that.
I have no hate SO. You'd have to read and understand what I said above to get that. I'm not being viscous, I'm saying what I see. You are a placard waving fundamentalist of the same school as the WBC as far as I can see. Of course you don't like the comparison, but ow are you different?
(November 3, 2009 at 1:21 pm)Secularone Wrote: And exactly what is that message that you despise so much, fr0d0? The truth about how you and other religious nuts care nothing about freedom, equality and social justice? Is that what's bothering you, fr0d0? Well, I've not seen you championing those principals now have I?
So here you specifically accuse me of limiting your freedom, equality, and social justice. Show me by quoting my words just how I've done that please. I will then show you quotes of mine on this forum where I have done what you have said I have not.
(November 3, 2009 at 1:21 pm)Secularone Wrote: You complain about how I misrepresent you but all you do is misrepresent everything, from beginning to end.
That's quite shocking given the heinous errors you've just committed in just a few words.
(November 3, 2009 at 1:21 pm)Secularone Wrote: If you really are such a great guy then how about posting reasonable explanations of your ideals, thoughts and beliefs, instead of your worthless one-liners and demagogic tripe.
I and every other atheist on this forum would like to hear what you have to say about your faith and how you got to where you are. But getting you to have an honest and/or reasonable conversation is next to impossible. Maybe you're trying to hide the details of your faith so that nobody can question them. I don't know. I just know you don't give straight answers or reasonable answers.
So, until you do clean up your act, things are not likely to get better between the two of us.
Funny SO you seem to be living entirely your own little reality. Your blindness is self enforced.
SO Wrote:Exactly what has any atheist done that you feel trampled on the legitimate rights of theists?
Kyu (Admin/ site owner of Angry Atheist) actively seeks to silence Theists because he believes that to be right. He wants to censor them. He left this forum because he wasn't allowed to do so. Hows that?
(November 3, 2009 at 4:05 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:(November 2, 2009 at 6:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: See the subtle brainwashing there? Christian extremism has to equal murder no less. Not what Christianity is about at all. To be true, that statement would have to read: "for Christians to be considered extremist, they just have to say out loud that they are Christians."
No... because Christians aren't considered extremists simply from being Christians.
Of course they are, it's the default position. Most Atheists here assume a hell of a lot of bad things about Christians akin to demonising them.