RE: Collaboration with theists?
November 3, 2009 at 10:25 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2009 at 10:55 pm by Secularone.)
(November 3, 2009 at 8:04 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I have no hate SO. You'd have to read and understand what I said above to get that. I'm not being viscous, I'm saying what I see. You are a placard waving fundamentalist of the same school as the WBC as far as I can see. Of course you don't like the comparison, but how are you different?
You sure fooled me! There is no reading what you said and understanding something different. I don't have to justify how I'm different than Fred Phelps. You need to justify the comparison before you make it.
Would you care for a photo of me protesting in front of Westboro Baptist Church? Yes, I'm guilty and I'd be happy to send you one. But that doesn't mean I'm just like Fred Phelps. It just means I've got the balls to give Fred Phelps a dose of his own medicine. The people driving by loved it.
(November 3, 2009 at 8:04 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So here you specifically accuse me of limiting your freedom, equality, and social justice. Show me by quoting my words just how I've done that please. I will then show you quotes of mine on this forum where I have done what you have said I have not.
Wonderful. Now we're getting somewhere. I want to hear all about your commitment to freedom, equality and social justice. If your on the level, I'll apologize for thinking you’re a fascist. Just send me to the thread and post# and I'll go read your best thoughts on the subject. But if the total of your commitment is little more than a one liner, don't be surprised if I'm not impressed.
(November 3, 2009 at 8:04 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:SO Wrote:Exactly what has any atheist done that you feel trampled on the legitimate rights of theists?
Kyu (Admin/ site owner of Angry Atheist) actively seeks to silence Theists because he believes that to be right. He wants to censor them. He left this forum because he wasn't allowed to do so. How’s that?
Well, I'm unaware of the controversy but I'm interested in the details. Just how did he go about attempting to silence the theists? He left this forum or was kicked off? If he had the power to do as you say, and did do as you say, he should have been kicked off. I hope your facts are not exaggerations, lest I take you to task. But if you are correct, this would be an example of an atheist nut doing damage to atheist credibility. I'll review the facts before I pass judgment.
And fr0d0, I have many Christian friends. I do not regard all of them to be fascists. But if they reacted to me the way you have, since day one, I would assume they have a problem with me taking Christian Fascists to task for their fascist mentality.
Further, I actually am not against all religions. Yes, I discriminate. My problem is with fascist religions like Fundamental Christianity and Islam. I'm a member of a Unitarian Universalist congregation. Some folks are theists, some are not. But none are fascist theists.
My hot button is human rights. However, I see the assault on human rights coming right out of Christian Fundamentalist churches. Naturally, they are the target of my outreach activism. Liberal churches that defend freedom, equality and social justice for everyone, never see me at their doorstep.
And still, when the Christian Fascists put some Amendment on the ballot essentially to make gays second class citizens, many of these so-called freedom loving Christians rushed to the polls in droves to deny equality to them. So how did you vote when the so-called Definition of Marriage Amendment was put on the ballot in your state?
(November 3, 2009 at 6:22 pm)Saerules Wrote: I wouldn't call you a 'negative atheist' either... I do think you are a zealot for atheism and humanism though
I'd rather you called me a zealot for freedom, equality and social justice. It just happens that I see the attack on these principals coming from monotheism. And when folks don't have a mandate from heaven to disenfranchise others, it amazing how freedom, equality and social justice have a fair chance.
Yes, I am a secular humanist, but I'm not fighting for secular humanism. And I'm not fighting for atheism either. I really don't care what people believe as long as their beliefs are not inspiring them to use the force of law to repress others. If they are, I'm likely to take their values to task and their dogma too.
I'd like to invite you and everyone else who is interested in who I am to read my very first post on September 9, 2009, in "Introductions." I stated what I believe to be the most important principles that define who and what I am. A lot of thought and commitment went into writing them. They are no joke and I don't take them lightly. I am proud to be a zealot for them!
As far as "legitimate theist rights" are concerned, I'll recognize any legal exercise of religion that does not trample freedom, equality and social justice for all. But any form of "tyranny of the majority" under the pretense of religious freedom will not be recognized by me as legitimate.