woman rights in Islam

[Eilonnwy]

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I'm jumping in late to the conversation but I have to respond to the comments made here. .

Sae's response, immediately following your post, spoke my mind. To respond would be to repeat her points.

So I will;

First off, i agree with the fact that nobody is EVER asking to be raped... but that was not the point.

How a person dresses does not detract from their being a person, and if they have a sex: there is potential for sexual abuse. If a substance can be used, there arises the potential for abuse. Money :: Woman :: Rope :: Kangaroo :: Notebook :: Nuclear Bomb :: Road Signs :: Piano :: Rotting Fish Guts :: Knowledge --> All substances that can be used, and usually that means they can be abused.

It isn't so much 'asking to be raped'... as it is presenting oneself a likelier and easier to access target. It is the same with waving around your money... you are not asking for it to be stolen... but you are placing attention upon the money... and thus making a robbery more likely.

That is what I meant by "the way it is", and that it is sadly so. You are right that it isn't my fault my money was stolen because I was waving it around in people's faces... but doing so certainly could have contributed to the occurrence having happened. It is always the rapist's/murderer's/theif's/whatever's fault that a substance was abused or infringed upon... and that is precisely why we need to be able to protect that which we possess. In this particular 'letching' example if that means not wearing that super-low cut show-the-titties top then that's what you have to do.

You state 'it's fun to dress sexy', well, it's "fun" to wave my slag money around in poor people's faces. It (fun) doesn't remove your responsibility to protect what's yours including hiding it and not waving it around in the faces of those who desire it, cannot obtain it through legitimate means and have no problem forcefully removing it from your possesion.

Possession is the law And you are right to state that it is absurd that a person was asking for the removal or abuse of something simply by possessing it

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I have two problems with what you have said. First, you equate women with possessions that can be used and abused. That view is incredibly detrimental to understanding women and the crime of rape. Personally, I'm offended by that statement, although I do understand you didn't intend it as on offensive statement.

Second, and more importantly, your statement that a woman needs to cover themselves up to avoid rape is patently false. Sexual attractiveness is not the cause of rape, it's practically irrelevant. So your reasoning is not only demeaning to women...it's false.

http://www.rwu.edu/studentlife/studentse...emyths.htm
http://kiosk.ucsb.edu/CampusSafety/RapeA...sault.aspx