woman rights in Islam

[Violet]

I have two problems with what you have said. First, you equate women with possessions that can be used and abused. That view is incredibly detrimental to understanding women and the crime of rape. Personally, I'm offended by that statement, although I do understand you didn't intend it as on offensive statement.

Second, and more importantly, your statement that a woman needs to cover themselves up to avoid rape is patently false. Sexual attractiveness is not the cause of rape, it's practically irrelevant. So your reasoning is not only demeaning to women...it's false.

Anyone... anything... can be used, Eilon. Are you suggesting that women can't be either used or abused? I don't think anyone was equating women entirely with possessions... but if something can be used (and note that women [and in fact any person] CAN be used... or else we couldn't be 'abused')... then it usually follows that it can be abused. Is it offensive to understand that a woman can be abused?

Not at all the intention.

No it ain't. We were not refering to male dominance over females. We were refering to contributing to the likelihood of a crime being committed against you and your possessions by flaunting or exposing your possession to the public. Crimes including rape and possessions including body parts.

It isn't so much to avoid rape... as to be targeted less for it (If I were going to commit a rape, [and I had my choice of whom] I can assure you that I would choose to rape the sexiest and most vulnerable looking person I could quickly find [Not only would it be more logical to rape the most vulnerable... it would be most 'fun?' to rape the sexy]). Sexual attractiveness is not the cause of rape... but it sure as hell can help select the target.

Compare that to money. If I were going to steal money from someone, (and I had my choice of whom) I can assure you that I would choose to steal from the richest and most vulnerable looking person I could quickly find [Not only would it be more logical to steal from the most vulnerable... it would also be most 'worthwhile?' to steal from the rich]. Richness is not the cause of theft... but it sure as hell can help select the target.

Edit: Dotard's picture example above brings home this point visually 2nd edit note: Holy fruitcake, it took me more than 30 minutes to write this

As in: it is a secondary reason, beyond the primary of who's most easily 'available'. Of course, you do not need worry about flaunting your money if you can defend that money (and of course yourself)... and it is the same way with flaunting your body. That's why you should carry concealed (or at least a long knife, or the like), travel with a buddy or two, stay near other people, and essentially not be a moron about defending what is yours. If your body is yours: it is your job to defend it... and others around you need to respect that you own it (and are defending it).

There are of course, people who will not fully respect that it is yours... and may try to use it without your consent, abuse it, and/or vandalize it. Which is why we should always 'carry concealed'.