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God is above conventional reason
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RE: God is above conventional reason
(February 13, 2013 at 6:36 pm)TheLameMayWalk Wrote:
(February 13, 2013 at 6:32 pm)apophenia Wrote: That means absolutely none of your shit holds any water. The bible (maybe that's God's idea of a funny story, or a Zen koan? You don't know, because you can't know the mind of God, you can't even make sense of him), Jesus Christ (perhaps God just came down to put his paw prints on Mary Magdalene's hot bawdy, and this was the way he thought of accomplishing that goal; it worked for Zeus, why not for Yahweh?), and the traditions of the Holy Roman Catholic church (do they have reasoning above that of other men? No, they do not). You've just exercised the nuclear option, babe, and blown up your own God in the process.

How do you reach this conclusion? We can interpet the Bible, we can understand that there is a God. But when we try to put man-made techniques to try to proof the existence of God is when he is above our reasoning.

The more aspects of God that you claim to understand, the less your claim that he is above conventional reason holds (because you are apprehending him through conventional reason). But the kicker is, if God is any above conventional reason, then nothing you claim to understand is defensible, as how far above conventional reason he is, and on which parts, is therefore beyond your capacity to know. In the immortal words of Donald Rumsfield, there are the things we know, and that we know we know; these are the known knowns; then there are the things we know that we don't know, and these are the known unknowns; then there are the things that we don't know, and don't even know that we don't know them; these are the unknown unknowns. Since part of God lies in the range of the unknown unknowns, and the very boundary between us and the unknown unknowns is itself unknown, it's impossible to say with any certainty that this or that bit of doctrine is a result of something above the water line in the known, rather than below it, in the unknown unknowns. And by your own principle, we can't "reason out" which things about God are knowable and known, and which are not. Therefore, the inclusion of this principle, that God is above conventional reason, puts your entire theology and faith in quick sand, with no rope to pull you out.


Now, I think I'm done explaining what is a rather simple and obvious principle to you. Have fun debating the rest of these trolls good people.

One last thing. Some Hindus like myself have a saying. "All is Maya." All is illusion. Nothing in this world is as it appears. Feel free to refute that, after you're done refuting the Buddhist argument which you've conveniently skipped.


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God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by frankiej - February 13, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by rexbeccarox - February 13, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by WitchSabrina - February 13, 2013 at 8:56 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Jackalope - February 13, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 13, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 13, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Psykhronic - February 13, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 14, 2013 at 5:23 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Minimalist - February 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Darkstar - February 13, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Simon Moon - February 13, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 7:19 pm
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RE: God is above conventional reason - by paulpablo - February 13, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 8:48 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 8:50 pm
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RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Simon Moon - February 13, 2013 at 9:15 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Drich - February 13, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Esquilax - February 14, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Creed of Heresy - February 14, 2013 at 7:33 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by WinterHold - February 14, 2013 at 10:22 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Esquilax - February 14, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by WinterHold - February 14, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Darkstar - February 14, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by WinterHold - February 14, 2013 at 9:55 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 14, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 14, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 14, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by popeyespappy - February 14, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 14, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 16, 2013 at 2:14 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Kayenneh - February 16, 2013 at 3:39 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 16, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 17, 2013 at 11:24 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 17, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 17, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 17, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by rexbeccarox - February 17, 2013 at 9:21 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 17, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm
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RE: God is above conventional reason - by paulpablo - February 17, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Finn - February 17, 2013 at 4:43 pm
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RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 17, 2013 at 4:52 pm
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RE: God is above conventional reason - by Finn - February 17, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 17, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 18, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 18, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Jackalope - February 18, 2013 at 12:41 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zen Badger - February 18, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 18, 2013 at 2:52 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 18, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 9:40 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 18, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zen Badger - February 18, 2013 at 7:35 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Finn - February 18, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 18, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 18, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 18, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 24, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 18, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 18, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 18, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 18, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 18, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 6:36 pm
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RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 18, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 18, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 24, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 18, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Nobody - February 24, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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RE: God is above conventional reason - by Gabriel Syme - March 20, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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