Collaboration with theists?

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And now, for Saerules, who is interested in what Unitarian Universalists mean by "inherent worth." Intrinsic value is an ethical and philosophic property. It is the ethical or philosophic value that an object has "in itself" or "for its own sake

Hmm... by that do you mean to elaborate on the point that A=A... in that A's attributes define A?

And as for spiritual growth...

Yes, spiritual growth has relevence, even for atheists. Theists would like to define spiritual growth for everyone. But many of us don't like their exclusive definition. We think in terms of spiritual growth too, but not the way they do.

Therefore, while a theist might regard spiritual growth to imply something supernatural or having to do with their relationship with their god, an atheist would not.

And since Unitarians are inclusive of both theists and atheists, there is no universal definition. No one can define the term "spiritual" for someone else. So, what it means to me is unique to me alone. (Unless someone happens to like my definition and want to use it for themselves. They are welcome to adopt it.)

For me, spiritual growth implies my growth as a person in character, integrity, values, relationships, happiness, etc. Essentially everything in my life that has anything to do with who and what I am and how I'm coping with the challenges of life. I reject the idea that spiritual growth has anything to do with supernaturalism or deities.

Essentially existentialism?:

A central proposition of existentialism is that existence precedes essence, which means that the actual life of the individual is what constitutes what could be called his or her "essence" instead of there being a predetermined essence that defines what it is to be a human. Thus, the human being - through his consciousness - creates his own values and determines a meaning to his life

I can see that definition of 'spirit'/'spiritual growth' It (Unitarian Universalism) seems a great deal like existentialism to me... would that be a correct observation, Secularone?