God is above conventional reason

[ThomM]

[quote='TheLameMayWalk' pid='402874' dateline='1361148785']
I'm not avoiding the issue. Hell, this topic is purely addressing the issue. I've already said what I had to said about proof on the first couple of pages. You can read them, and we can debate from there.

YOU asked for an intelligent conversation - but then you post things upon which YOU have no basis for argument.

GO back to the FIRST post on this thread

All you say is an additional UNSUPPORTED claim that a god is beyond proof and reason

I have no reason to believe that - None was given.

Now - for an intelligent argument

In the case of the xtian god - we can already say that the god - as defined by ALL of the claims of the scripture of that religion - CANNOT BE TRUE.

According to the fairy tale book - Matthew(19:26) and Luke (1:37) - Nothing is impossible with god - and that is NOT TRUE - All i need to do is provide I example of something a god cannot do to prove the point. Once I have done that - the bible is false.

Today - I am posting a message to you - something that I had NO knowledge I would do - two years ago. ANd you posted a message to ME - something YOU had no knowledge YOU would do two years ago as well.
The ability to do something that we had no prior knowledge of is an ability of ALL HUMANS.

NOW - what can your ALL KNOWING GOD do that IT had no prior knowledge of? YOU see - the claims contradict each other. WE both have a power that your god cannot have as defined.

So - in fact - the god does not have FREE WILL - it must do everything exactly as it already knows. It cannot do anything it has no knowledge of. And no one else can have free will - for the same reason. WE cannot choose to do something that the god DOES NOT KNOW - so we are limited to what the god ONLY KNOWS.

YOU may reply - that this is minor example - but it is NOT - FREE WILL is something that is important to the religion. Without it - the claim of responsibility is in question.

And this is only ONE example of a major problem with the claims of your god - and that is WHY we choose to accept that Gods are NOTHING MORE than fictional characters in MYTHS and LEGENDS mostly from ancient uneducated and unscientific people.