Religion and LGBT people

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What do you base the position that people are born gay on, if not their self-reports?

Well, the science. I believe a link was left a few pages back. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2...120612.php

There's another one, maybe it's the same one.

But there's also a logical issue that you don't seem to be getting: if it's a choice, then you should be able to change it, right? Like, right now? But you and I both know that's not how people work.

And if it's not that kind of choice, then it's not a sin, is it? If it's something you can choose at one point (oddly you fail to specify the means by which this choice is made, possibly because no such methods appear in the study you're misrepresenting to reach your conclusion) but not later, then is it a sin at one point, but it stops being so later on? Besides, if it's a choice like you're angling, a conscious one that can be considered sinful, then surely you remember making it, right? You remember going "I am straight now." Because I sure as fuck can't remember making that choice, can anyone else?

And if you're not trying to push us towards "gay is a choice and therefore a sin," then why are you arguing at all? This is just insulting for no reason: you know as well as I do that we as humans don't make conscious decisions as to our orientations.