RE: Collaboration with theists?
November 7, 2009 at 5:07 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2009 at 5:08 pm by fr0d0.)
You (people here) wanted proof of the figures & I've provided them. If you can't read a reasonable set of statistics produced by people who should actually know what's going on, rather than some crazy poll. I mean.... If you read the linked page you'll see it very accurately dealt with...
"Less than half of the British people believe in a God, yet about 72% told the 2001 census that they were Christian, and 66% of the population have no actual connection to any religion or church, despite what they tend to write down on official forms."
You can't be serious right? Church attendance is one of the few true indicators you can possibly have. In 2005 it stood at 6%. The decline is shown to be 2% per decade. Yet you think you can still make a claim that 72% of the population are Christian?!? I am truly astonished.
"Sociologists know that if they count heads and ask about beliefs, more people say they belong to a religion, and say they have the beliefs of a particular religion, than actually do. People over-state their own religiosity; that's why statistics from polls will often give higher percentages of 'believers' than will head-counting and deeper investigations."
Believing is not lip service. If your mother and grandmother produced no fruit, they were not actually being Christian. Christianity doesn't accomodate stagnation. A child of a Christian who believes without understanding is not a Christian. What you are talking about is symptomatic of the extreme rot we're witnessing in the UK as highlighted in the vexen data and summaries(quoted above). That would be my take from mainstream Christianity.
Then there's this problem with stated belief in a god:
"Because Christianity is the dominant religion in the UK, most people who believe in a god here think that they are Christian. As a result of secularisation they do not know, understand, or care, what the differences are between the hundreds of god-believing religions in the world, generally because they don't know about them, nor do they want to know. In other words, most god-believers are theists and should not rightly be counted as Christians. This must also happen in other countries - there must be many Muslims who believe in god (who are 'theists') but who don't really care for the specifics of Islam, but, do not know what else to call themselves. They will still be caught up in all the cultural-religious practices centering on Mosques because they simply know no better."
- http://www.humanreligions.info/numbers.html#General
"Less than half of the British people believe in a God, yet about 72% told the 2001 census that they were Christian, and 66% of the population have no actual connection to any religion or church, despite what they tend to write down on official forms."
You can't be serious right? Church attendance is one of the few true indicators you can possibly have. In 2005 it stood at 6%. The decline is shown to be 2% per decade. Yet you think you can still make a claim that 72% of the population are Christian?!? I am truly astonished.
"Sociologists know that if they count heads and ask about beliefs, more people say they belong to a religion, and say they have the beliefs of a particular religion, than actually do. People over-state their own religiosity; that's why statistics from polls will often give higher percentages of 'believers' than will head-counting and deeper investigations."
Believing is not lip service. If your mother and grandmother produced no fruit, they were not actually being Christian. Christianity doesn't accomodate stagnation. A child of a Christian who believes without understanding is not a Christian. What you are talking about is symptomatic of the extreme rot we're witnessing in the UK as highlighted in the vexen data and summaries(quoted above). That would be my take from mainstream Christianity.
Then there's this problem with stated belief in a god:
"Because Christianity is the dominant religion in the UK, most people who believe in a god here think that they are Christian. As a result of secularisation they do not know, understand, or care, what the differences are between the hundreds of god-believing religions in the world, generally because they don't know about them, nor do they want to know. In other words, most god-believers are theists and should not rightly be counted as Christians. This must also happen in other countries - there must be many Muslims who believe in god (who are 'theists') but who don't really care for the specifics of Islam, but, do not know what else to call themselves. They will still be caught up in all the cultural-religious practices centering on Mosques because they simply know no better."
- http://www.humanreligions.info/numbers.html#General
