RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 25, 2013 at 9:53 am
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2013 at 10:09 am by Drich.)
(February 24, 2013 at 1:56 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Drich, have you noticed how the tone of the conversation changed in proportion to the number of atheists? Ye shall know them by their fruits.
I have, but in the end 'they' are the reason we should be here.
(February 24, 2013 at 3:00 am)Ryantology Wrote: Can you tell us what evil God saw in the hearts of toddlers, infants and even fetuses, so that you can justify your God's many holocausts?
I think it should be obvious, as many of the passages tell you. That the people who were given over to be wiped out, possed a great threat to the nation of Israel. This should also be made evident when a kill order was given and was not carried out. Often times the hand full of women and Children return in just a few generations to war with or capture and enslave Israel. God's purpose here was to protect the line of Christ and to full fill His promise. (without changing the will of those who apposed Him and or His people.) They and their children died with their wills intact.
(February 24, 2013 at 11:01 am)FallentoReason Wrote:(February 23, 2013 at 11:49 pm)Drich Wrote: This is an argument from willful ignorance.
I just finished telling you the 'believers' of the religion Christ had established were marring their "Father wives," sueing each other into slavery, and on and on...
Problems which are independent of Jesus being "in the flesh" or not. That's the point I made in my last post.
Quote:Those people like you thought the 'freedom Christ offered meant they could relish and live in their sins.
Irrelevant to whether Jesus was on Earth or not.
Quote:Paul's Job was one past the point of accepting the faith, into a viable working Christian relationship. He was bridging the gap between a works based righteousness, and a righteousness founded on Love and grace.
Which, again, I'll say was a possible thing for Paul to do even if Jesus didn't exist.
Quote:whether it be Paul or someone else there was an obvious gap between knowing of Christ/The gospel and a working relationship with the Holy Spirit.
And that gap could be closed by Paul ranting like a mystery cultist about his saviour god.
You've missed the whole point.
Christ came, and set up a following. He won people over to follow His teachings through His word, thoughts and deeds. However His teachings focoused on the foundations of freedoms that would be found living under His sacerfice. They did not speak to the details of daily living, and worship. People back then saw this freedom and went crazy with it.(In good and bad ways) It was Paul's job to reign them back in. To fully describe the freedoms of Christ, and also tie works back into the life of the believer through Love.
This is what is meant as milk and Meat of the word. Christ's core message is milk. it is what those young in the faith need to establish the relationship they need with God. Paul offered meat for the growing believer. Something a little more substanial inorder to sustain the relationship Christ's message established.
(February 25, 2013 at 8:14 am)Question Mark Wrote: I'm liking all these assertions about afterlives, god supposed providence, and the nature of humanity, but I'm finding the lack of evidence in favour of these things somewhat curious.What does this evidence look like?