(February 24, 2013 at 6:04 pm)Atothetheist Wrote:(February 13, 2013 at 5:43 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: I've been reading many topics on this site and time and time again, atheists like to speak of "proof" and "reason".
The only problem with this is that God is above these things. These are human terms, thought of by humans, and decided among non-believers to be the thing to look for.
How can we use these man-made methods to measure the existence of the Creator that created us? There's no logic in that. God, and all things about Him, are above our minds and our conventional ways of thinking.
We use these ways of thinking on everything around us, literally speaking, but how are we supposed to use them on a GOD, something the human mind even has difficulty comprehending, something totally above us. We can't.
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Who says we can't? Why is God above those things? Let me ask you something, does your "God" commit miracles? If so, than he can be scientifically analyzed, or at least the miracle itself can, thus presenting proof. Everything that exists is not ABOVE proof. Proof is evidence towards a notion.
Why is GOD above proof? Doesn't he exist? Doesn't he commit miracles? Didn't be dictate/inspire (a) Holy Book/s? Miracles and, if the case is strong enough, Holy Books are all "PROOFS" of a deities existence, thus making your assertion kind of stupid.
And, if I may be so blunt, I can bet your sweet ass that your only saying this because there is no proof or logical for a God's existence. If there was proof, I bet you would be swinging it around and shouting it from the top of your lungs. But, because there is no proof of such a thing, you have to make the case that "God" is above these things.
Nonsense.
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Actually - gods do exist - lots of them
They are proven ONLY to be fictional beings made up by humans for their religious myths and legends.
And the reason WHY they are above proofs and reason is because they lack the one thing that proof and reason requires - reality.
That they are "named" alone means that they actually exist. Leprechauns, imps, ogres, fairies, angels, devils, and klingons are similar. That there are named defines their existence - even if they lack reality.