RE: Women. You have men by the balls.(...)
February 26, 2013 at 3:12 am
(This post was last modified: February 26, 2013 at 3:18 am by Mystical.)
Sorry it took me a bit to reply JohnV, I'm on chemo treatments so I take each day one at a time.![Cool Shades Cool Shades](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/cool-shades.gif)
No, why? Since you didn't specify I'm going to go ahead and put my next point in here, Have you ever heard about Joyce Meyer's Ministries?
Growing up, it was frowned upon that she 'dared' preach. She's been dis-communicated from her own church as a result of her endeavors. Still, she's been able to do the following which I feel is worth far more to the credit of her religion than speaking when told she shouldn't be. I always respected her husband highly. Despite verses such as this she still teaches, and I respect her too for overcoming the sexism of her religion.
Here's what the Bible says to do in such a case:
Then it gives an answer but is it not foolish for a wife to let her husband continue down a path she knows is wrong, in silence?
Not every argument can be waited out in respectful pure conduct, sometimes decisions need to be made immediately. What is she to do if she disagrees with you? Answer: be silent. Right?
I've heard these thrown in a debate of this very nature before:
Proverbs 14:1
The wisest of women builds her house, but folly with her own hands tears it down.
Philippians 2:3
Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
Ephesians 5:24
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
Seeing as how the definition of rivalry can even be debated between two people, this is not helpful either.
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I'm not saying women should not make babies, I'm saying that the only place for a woman is where she wants to be, and if it isn't in the kitchen so be it. Opposite of what the Bible says on the matter, no? Of which you agree with yes?
Fair enough. Soooo if she was competent and able to hold office, would you object? Or do you agree with Paul and Timothy on the subject?
I am coming to the belief that you are a moderate when it comes to the bible, but you are by far in the minority then.
Fair enough, you got me there. I merely quoted a religious persons personal opinion on subject I guess.
I ask because these verses have been thrown in my face my entire life![Tongue Tongue](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
The bible seems to contradict your beliefs, and is it not the living word of god in your eyes? Or do you concede that it is written by fallible men and that you need to temper that knowledge with what you believe from the Bible?
Perhaps not you, but others agree that these verses mean that should she divorce her husband that makes her an adulterer. This is the paramount reason why I have seen religious women stay in abusive marriages. Because in the Bible, adulterers have a special place in hell.
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Quote:1. If she wanted to be a preacher, would you be by her side in that endeavor?
No.
No, why? Since you didn't specify I'm going to go ahead and put my next point in here, Have you ever heard about Joyce Meyer's Ministries?
Growing up, it was frowned upon that she 'dared' preach. She's been dis-communicated from her own church as a result of her endeavors. Still, she's been able to do the following which I feel is worth far more to the credit of her religion than speaking when told she shouldn't be. I always respected her husband highly. Despite verses such as this she still teaches, and I respect her too for overcoming the sexism of her religion.
Bible Wrote:Corinthians 14:34-35
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I
Timothy 2:11
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
Quote:2. Is she your advisor yet you're the final word on the matter?What if she disagrees with your judgement? What if your judgement is wrong? It happens, you know
Yes.
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Here's what the Bible says to do in such a case:
Quote:"If she go not as thou wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give her a bill of divorce, and let her go." (Eccles. 25: 26)
Then it gives an answer but is it not foolish for a wife to let her husband continue down a path she knows is wrong, in silence?
Quote:1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives,when they see your respectful and pure conduct.
Not every argument can be waited out in respectful pure conduct, sometimes decisions need to be made immediately. What is she to do if she disagrees with you? Answer: be silent. Right?
I've heard these thrown in a debate of this very nature before:
Proverbs 14:1
The wisest of women builds her house, but folly with her own hands tears it down.
Philippians 2:3
Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
Ephesians 5:24
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
Seeing as how the definition of rivalry can even be debated between two people, this is not helpful either.
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Quote:3. Do you really think women's place is in the kitchen or making babies? (you didn't answer me directly on that one, either)How would the race die out?
Actually I'm the better cook, but she's catching up. As for babies, well, yeah, unless you want the race to die out.
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Quote:4. If she ran for congress would you have any objections?
Yes, seems like it would be a big waste of time as she's never held office of any kind.
Fair enough. Soooo if she was competent and able to hold office, would you object? Or do you agree with Paul and Timothy on the subject?
I am coming to the belief that you are a moderate when it comes to the bible, but you are by far in the minority then.
Quote:5. If she bought land would you feel she was out of her realm?
No. You're showing your ignorance of the Bible with that one:
Prov 31
16 She considers a field and buys it;
From her profits she plants a vineyard.
Fair enough, you got me there. I merely quoted a religious persons personal opinion on subject I guess.
Quote:6. Do you hold scorn for women in general for man's Fall?
No. The Bible holds Adam responsible, so why would I?
I ask because these verses have been thrown in my face my entire life
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Quote:7. Do you feel women are inept and require men to keep them on the right path? No.
The bible seems to contradict your beliefs, and is it not the living word of god in your eyes? Or do you concede that it is written by fallible men and that you need to temper that knowledge with what you believe from the Bible?
Quote:8. Do you believe that if she divorced you she's going to hell?
No.
Perhaps not you, but others agree that these verses mean that should she divorce her husband that makes her an adulterer. This is the paramount reason why I have seen religious women stay in abusive marriages. Because in the Bible, adulterers have a special place in hell.
Quote:9. Do you agree or disagree with the bible regarding these claims? And if so how does that translate to your marriage?
I agree with them. So does my wife.
Thank you for answering me btw, I appreciate the honesty and look forward to any input you have to offer. I don't have any qualms with what you're saying thus far, I merely wish to relay to you the view that others of your religion hold as true.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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