Religion and LGBT people

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Later I said that the media like to try to portray animals as gay, (as pro-homosexual propgaganda). There is nothing to substantiate this. I said the only thing which would definitely confirm animals were gay was if we (eg) observed two male animals sodomising one another.

Then I said we will not ever see this, because for two males to sodomise one another - ie to fundamentally mis-use their bodies - requires artificial intervention (lubricants or whatever) and animals cannot do this, like humans can.

Wrong. Bison do exactly that, as do Bonobos, lions, elephants... and this is only from a few minutes of research, I'm willing to bet I could go on. But I'm also willing to bet that you'll contort yourself into retaining your (wrong, demonstrably so) position.

Me - I am trying to demonstrate a point of view I think is accurate and worthile, using relevant and referenced information. I think I have done a good job, for anyone willing to read my posts.

Here's the thing though: whether you mean it or not, you come across as amazingly smug and arrogant when you declare opposing positions to be nullified by fiat.

You - you are venting your personal feeling on the matter, (perhaps you are a homosexual yourself?), insulting me and attempting to portray views different to your own as being offensive and so unnacceptable.

Bisexual, yes. Beside the point though: I argued from this position back when I still identified as straight, too.

It is clear that you fundamentally reject the reality of human sexuality and prefer to substitute reality with some fantasy situation you have invented because you find it more acceptable / easier to handle.

Remember what I said about arrogance? Here it is; you insist that your position is correct, clearly without having done much in the way of actual research (because it seriously took me no time at all to find evidence of homosexual sex between animals.) and then give me this condescending accusation of living in fantasy.

There is no real point in continuing our discussing, as I am not going to abandon the truth, and you will not quit your fortress of deception.

Well, just so long as we're not using loaded language to avoid confronting the very real objections with your viewpoint that have been levied against you in this thread. Because that would be intellectually honest, and I guess it's just easier for you to pat yourself on the back and live in that echo chamber of baseless insistence and self congratulations, isn't it?

Replacing truth with fiction is very common among secular people, especially when it comes to potentially difficult topics like homosexuality and abortion. Whenever a secular person meets a situation they do not like, for any reason, they just pretend it doesnt exist and 'make up' something better instead. Anyone who does point to the truth is usually not appreciated.

Have you even once checked outside, into reality, to verify which of our positions is the deluded one, before you declared yourself absolutely right? Somehow, I doubt it.