what being apart from the law means.

[Drich]

Now take another step back and follow your thought to it's conclusion.. Months tick by, maybe even years, and at some point the 'believer' (maybe after after loosing the girl he wanted to someone elses even after he had struck a deal with his idea of God) concludes he has been behind his own experience of god all along. Then what happpens? Then the disgruntled misotheists takes the name Atheist because 'Miso/hate' and intollerance is a soceitial sin that is not easily over come. Starts an anti God Campaign (unknowingly this is most likly the first bit of honest 'seeking' the Miso, has ever done.) Unfortunatly pride keeps the Miso from the Ask/Knock part because of "ALL" the "Christian things" he did in the past.

I'll take your stabs at my personal life as a sign that I'm getting to you. Here's something else I haven't told you about that missions trip (I think):

2 of my friends and myself were getting ready for bed. We all jumped into our beds and whipped out our Bibles. I was reading a passage about treasures being stored in heaven and this raised a particular question I had, so I asked one of my friends. Before long, he basically started painting this picture before me of God's never-ending love for us via different verses. The more he explained this, the warmer I felt in my chest. I was trying my hardest to stay focused on what he was telling me, but I couldn't keep it in and I cracked. I started crying so hard at this overwhelming feeling that came over me that I got up and headed to the bathroom to clean myself up. For the next 15-20 minutes I couldn't stop crying (and sweating from this intense warm feeling inside of me). It was getting late so we had to turn off the lights and go to bed, but there I was still silently sobbing to myself at how compassionate God was. From then on, I knew I had had a personal experience with God.

I, like you, had up to that point already accepted that God existed, that he had a personal relationship with everyone, that Jesus was his Son & that the Bible speaks the truth. Like in 1984, I let go of reason (i.e. God never appearing despite my sincere belief in him) and went with faith. The result? Fooling myself, just like you do, that I had encountered God.

In the above post I wrote you an appology for bring in your personal story. It was not intentional I tend to assoceiate you all with your avatars, and when you changed yours some of what we discussed was left behind. It was not my intention to attack you personally. i was simply making a point by illustrating something that happpens many times with people in the faith.

as far as your experience I have no doubt that you experienced God.

As I said if you A/S/K God will show up. However in order for Him to stay you have to be faithful to what you have been given.

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Didn't I already shoot this 1984 A/s/k thing down already? I think it had something to do with Chocolate last time.

I was trying to find the thread to see how it had ended, but I couldn't find it.

I highly doubt you shot it down. Philosophical points aren't your strong suit, so I doubt you came anywhere near showing that A/S/K/ isn't a self-torture-based system for "achieving" a personal revelation.

It ended with me stating that you doing your own version of what God tells you to do is not the same as doing what God tells yoou to do.

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There is no need to appologise for your inablity to communicate, I understand pomp and circumstance has one default to the 'fancy words' when they are on their heels. Just rephrase and try again.

No problem, I'll use words with less than four syllables.

ASK, Ask, Seek Knock.

Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you.
In effect, ask god to prove himself to you, and apparently he will. The clever cover up here is that if someone is bent upon finding god, then sure, they'll fool themselves into believing it for any reason. I've heard of people walking through parks and seeing three waterfalls on a decorative water display, and interpreting it as a sign of the trinity.
Anyone of moderate or skeptical tendencies who isn't going to fall into something so fanciful, are brushed off as not having enough faith.

The whole thing is predicated upon having faith. As Ryan explained earlier, you have to accept that the christian god and the christian dogma is true in order to reach the conclusion that god will reveal himself through this means.
Other cultures have used the same argument of ask and you shall receive to prove any number of gods.

I am having the same conversation with Ryan right now, do I honestly need to have it with you at the same time? or can't you just read what I wrote to Him and you respond to what has already been said?

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No. Sin=Death. all who sin owe a death. only Christ can die for another.

Only Christ can die for another? You ignorant fuck. Let me introduce you to Ross McGinnis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_A._McGinnis

Did Ross' death atone for sin as well? If not then what ross did Heroic as it was, is not what is being discussed.

Red herring.