Women. You have men by the balls.(...)

[John V]

1. How forward thinking of you.
2. Please expound on your interpretation of Gal3 and what you say with regards to Paul?

Can you be more specific?

So you're not infallable yet you see yourself as the end all be all of decisions?

For my family, yes.

If she's not your equal, how is she to not be silent?

That’s a false dichotomy. People with unequal authority frequently discuss things.

As to overall equality, Biblically we’re one flesh. That’s pretty equal. Personally I believe from this concept that a man who doesn’t love his wife doesn’t love himself.

If she has no right to argue a subject with you, then how can she properly advise?

Right to argue? We have no desire to argue with each other. We discuss things.

I am aware of all of Proverbs 31 with regards to the wife's duties and abilities, I read it the other night. From what I can see it's just a whole bunch of air blowin up skirts for doing household/landhold duties and some good points on how a woman should support her husband. I'm not denying the good here, I do however condemn the absence of any substantial rights.

You’re being disingenuous. Before you knew of this passage you thought buying land was a substantial right, and you probably thought running businesses was substantial.

Just one instance of something written down in your bible does not excuse the blanket sexist submissive comments that are within.

You didn’t provide any verses that indicated women were incompetent. You provided verses warning against keeping the company of immoral women. There are plenty of verses warning against keeping the company of immoral men, too, but you’re either ignorant of these or purposely ignore them in order to charge sexism.

No, it just means submit to my control or go to Hell. I highly doubt that a being as superior as god would give a flying elephant, if a woman remarried. And lets just be clear here, I'm taking this personally because my mother in your eyes (the most Jesus lovin self sacrificing in the name of her lord woman in her state), is bound for hell and will be sent there by her lord. She knows this and she still praises him.

You haven’t shown Biblically that adultery is not forgiven. I doubt your mother could either. Yes, sometimes people believe wrong things about Christianity.

Control.

Seriously? If that’s all you have, why bother?

Do you even know what marriage represents Biblically?

I'm pretty sure it's assumed that if you're working you're not with your children. Can men not have it all then? What the hell is 'all' anyways?

No, men can’t have it all, either. My children are closer to my wife than they are to me. They spend much more time with her. There’s no way I can compete with that.

"People tried telling women they could have it all. They were wrong."

Wow. What a blanketed sexist statement that I have sadly heard word for word before. Humor me: what people, and where did they say this then? I don't doubt that some ahole did, I'm just interested in your sources.

I’m not sure if the exact phrase was used, but the sentiment at least traces back to The Feminine Mystique, which came out in the sixties and sparked a new wave of feminism.

So in other words, I'm putting forth evidence against, and you think I'm being unfair by not posting the evidence that's favorable?

Considering your claim that you’re just trying to show me what other Christians think, yes. At first you presented yourself more as a seeker who might be open to opposing views. It’s now apparent that you’re pushing an agenda. As that’s clear, no, I don’t expect you to support opposing views.

Here's the thing: I know the evidence for, I disregard it because it is overshadowed by the verses and evidence against. Just as in the case of slavery and the bible: just because it says "treat your slave well" does not change the fact that it's advocating slavery.

I dount that you know the evidence for, as you didn’t even know about Prov 31 until this discussion.

You caught me again! Oh, you're good. I am indeed using you as a sounding board to collect my thoughts for when I have this conversation with my dad: something I consider to be one of the biggest social and emotional brick walls I have yet to face. Considering you both hold the same beliefs on these subjects.

1. Why confront him?
2. We don’t share all the same beliefs. We apparently disagree on divorce necessarily meaning hell, and that’s a huge difference.
3. You’ve noted that I seem more moderate or progressive than him. Yet, I’m a Bible-believing Christian. Why not confront him with the verses I use and try for a modification? If he believes that there’s a special place in hell for adulterers, confront him with the sermon on the mount. Seems more likely to be effective than a general assault on his belief system.

As for studying seriously these issues: Well I did grow up going to a Christian private school so it was sorta serious that I did study the bible. Am I seriously studying it now? Yep. Don't get why you'd think otherwise unless you disagree with the conclusions I'm drawing with my studies.

Again, it’s mostly the lack of knowledge of Prov 31. It’s a really well-known passage regarding women. Don’t see how you could honestly research women’s Biblical roles and not come across it, which leads me to believe you just collect negative verses you see posted elsewhere. The posting of long lists of verses bolsters this assessment. It’s common of people who don’t study the Bible, but rather study anti-Christian sources.

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Well, some people can have it all, and do.

Who?

Here's an interesting piece on the subject:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch...ll/309020/

Eighteen months into my job as the first woman director of policy planning at the State Department, a foreign-policy dream job that traces its origins back to George Kennan, I found myself in New York, at the United Nations’ annual assemblage of every foreign minister and head of state in the world. On a Wednesday evening, President and Mrs. Obama hosted a glamorous reception at the American Museum of Natural History. I sipped champagne, greeted foreign dignitaries, and mingled. But I could not stop thinking about my 14-year-old son, who had started eighth grade three weeks earlier and was already resuming what had become his pattern of skipping homework, disrupting classes, failing math, and tuning out any adult who tried to reach him. Over the summer, we had barely spoken to each other—or, more accurately, he had barely spoken to me. And the previous spring I had received several urgent phone calls—invariably on the day of an important meeting—that required me to take the first train from Washington, D.C., where I worked, back to Princeton, New Jersey, where he lived. My husband, who has always done everything possible to support my career, took care of him and his 12-year-old brother during the week; outside of those midweek emergencies, I came home only on weekends.

Her relationship with her children wasn't as strong as it could have been had she spent more time with them. Again, it just comes down to time, it's nothing against women.