"Science v Religion"

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Thomas Aquinas also thought of the jews as the source of all evil in Europe and was responsible for the worst progroms in medieval europe.

Achtung! That is false! (as shown by the no quote / link / evidence)

ok, let`s play this game, with scientific studies:

http://muse.jhu.edu/books/9780812200447

I am german, if there is one thing I know alot about - it is antisemitism
Antisemitism was and in alot of cases still is connected to the catholic church!!!

The definition of the word reason has changed a bit since these years.

Has not! or...evidence for this assertion?

Clearly you dont know ANYTHING not even the smallest shredded bit about philosophy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

philosophy evolved several schools formed out of old ones.
reasoning and what can be called reason evolved whidely from platos equasions of the shadows to Karl Poppers rational critizism

So where do I get the idea that religion is anti science? Well may I ask you as a catholic why you believe - since you believe what your church dictates - that condoms actualy further HIV instead of preventing it.

If people followed Catholic advice and only enjoyed sex within committed relationships (an appropriate environment for sex), then it is wholly logical and obvious that there would be less STD transmissions and unwanted pregnancies (ie abortions) occurring, than if people had lots of promiscuous sex with many partners.

Simple logic. Just like how there would be less people accidentally killing themselves, if they went to a shooting range (an appropriate environment), instead of playing Russian roulette with their buddies for kicks.

People have a right to live a sexlife! and most importent of all! A sexlife which is non of the buisness of the roman catholic church!!!
people have a right to know what sexuality is!!!
Which includes knowing about sexualy contracted deseases!!!
Which is called sexual education! Which is what the catholic church oposes because it contradicts their idiotic views on moral.

Plus

you can twist this arround as much as you like, it doesnt change the fact that your church forbidds birthcontrol - hence forbbids condoms - which undeniably - prevent HIV infections.

The catholic churches advice on health isnt worth anything when it infringes a persons individual rights!!!

I choose my rights above your churches advice to be subject of totalitarianism!

(The logic is born out, when you notice in Africa that the people with HIV are overwhelmingly non-Catholic.)

HIV infections are also low in Saudi Arabia, in Dubai, in Oman and in other countries.

Are these countries advices and rule also good for their subjects and their rights?!

The pope was right about condoms, says Harvard HIV expert

Because we have for a number of years now found the wrong kind of association between condom-availability and levels of condom use.. You see the wrong kind of relationship with HIV prevalence. Instead of seeing this associated with lower HIV infection rates, it's actually associated with higher HIV infection rates. Part of that is because the people using condoms are the people who are having risky sex. It's just like there is more bed nets in use in countries with malaria than in countries without such high levels of malaria.

because they had no sex education!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

people not educated on the subject also dont know that HIV can be contracted via anal and oral sex.

So, it is actually you who is on the wrong side of science here, not Catholics.

Nope! It is you!!! Condoms used correctly prevent the spread of HIV, aivailable condoms without the knowlege of how to use them - furthers the spread of HIV!

and most importently of all!

catholic doctrin on sexuality infringes an individuals right on havin a sexuality!
And when combining catholic doctrin of sex with available condoms - people will not know how to use them and will get infected.

I am not suprised of Greens position. Because the spread of condoms without the knowlege of how to use them will not do anything!!!

As proven in western countries where through education on the subject - the numbers of infections went down.

Because we ignore your churches "advice" into submission to their doctrin of infringeing our rights!

So - as is so often the case - we see that the Catholic Church makes statements based on the best available evidence and research, one which is supported by prominent members of the scientific community.
And - as is also so often the case - a generally ignorant and self-indulgent western population denies these statements, and claims they are absurd and anti-scientific.

these are social sciences, such as pedagogics and sociology! They do not change the fact that condoms prevent the infection with HIV!

What is really happening is that people do not like the truth, especially if they feel it spoils their fun - so they pretend it does not exist, and treat those who value the truth harshly, in an attempt to suppress it.

Hatred of the truth (and the idea of responsibility / restraint), is very common, in supposedly educated / civilised western society. Abortion is another good example.

what a pile of conspiracy nonsence! go and join the ranks of fools who as soon as they see bad media reports about them scream "conspiracy!"

The Catholic Church would never issue inaccurate statements which may lead to people damaging their health. Anything and everything it says about morality is fully informed by the best knowledge currently available to humanity. It is right to say that beating HIV is about changing behaviours, not handing out pieces of latex. On another thread, I said humans were supposed to be in control of their passions (using their intellect), but condoms treat us like animals, whose passions control them.

If you want to talk abortion - open a new thread!

The church has apologised for torchuring galileo and has accepted evolution, it conducts research - especial in the field of cosmology.

Yet it is not - pro scientific

It prohibits genetical research on the basis of it`s idiotic doctrins

You don't last 2,000 years, if you talk a lot of shit

One last 2000 years by spreading antisemitism, ruling totalitarian and massacring oposition

All this information is out there, for people who want it. Trouble is, many don't - they prefer to invent their own truths.

Basically, the people and media outlets who attack the Catholic church over condoms / HIV are malicious, anti-scientific liars. They don't want people to have the truth, they want people to believe what they say.

Remember, when we use the media, we are essentially watching a pantomime. It is the news according to their agenda, not just "the news".

You sound more like Alex Johnes than anyone rational! You probably get your information from catholic sheets
you think they are non biased!!

I chose several papers and I chose them whisely on behalf of their reputation.

To believe that their is an agenda out there is something for nutjobs, so go to a conspiracy shit forum if you want to discuss this kind of useless garbage, because I guarantee - no one here takes conspiracy theories serious!