RE: Thanks for creating a forum with real debate!
March 11, 2013 at 9:54 am
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2013 at 10:15 am by Ben Davis.)
(March 10, 2013 at 9:32 pm)jstrodel Wrote: No I'm not. You are intentionally defining a term to obscure the fact that those two movements come out of the same people, with the same funding, and the same culture. You are creating a definition of a term to make atheism appear like it has come out of thin air.Ahhh, so it's deliberate intellectual dishonesty then.
The definition of atheism is very easy to demonstrate. The question is 'Do you believe in any theistic propositions?'. If your answer is 'Yes', you're a theist. If your answer is not 'Yes' (i.e. anything else other than 'Yes'), you're an atheist. Consequently, the umbrella of atheists is so large and consists of so many other beliefs, some fundamentally contradictory, that there can be no 'atheist' group identity extrapolated and any attempt to do so is fundamentally flawed. Further, your attempt to draw connections between atheism & action is laughable because people's actions are informed by their beliefs (amongst other things) and not their lack of one particular belief.
Quote:Your central piece of evidence is a dictionary definition. Don't you realize that people write dictionaries and have their own motivations for doing so?
What has that got to do with the fact that the etymologically accurate definition of 'atheism' is clear & well understood? Your attempt to divert attention is poor, obvious and I'll not fall for it.
Quote:Why can't you see that what you are doing is extremely political and is intentionally avoiding a real appreciation of the nature of the atheist movement?Because it's not and it isn't. If you think that it is then your perceptions are awry due to your continued conflation of issues. To put it another way, when your input data is so confused, your analysis will likely be flawed and your conclusions will likely be wrong. Crap in, crap out.
Sum ergo sum