RE: Thanks for creating a forum with real debate!
March 12, 2013 at 2:06 am
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2013 at 2:07 am by Lion IRC.)
(March 11, 2013 at 10:11 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(March 11, 2013 at 9:06 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: I think there are atheist principles. Fundamental, dogmatic atheist principles.
Name them, and follow it with doctrinal evidence which insists that all atheists must follow them.
Naturalism. (Belief in supernatural events would be heretical. In fact, the acceptance of souls, angels, miracles, for example, would mean you were NOT an atheist.)
Empirical evidence-based scientism. (Myopia. Only tool you own is a hammer. All problems resemble a nail. We ''ought'' to rely on the scientific method but science doesnt do "ought". Science only does "IS".)
Presuppositionalism. (An unverified past-eternal, perpetual motion universe/multiverse can and must exist without a cause. This is necessary to avoid the Kalam cosmology.)
The fallacy of the default position / burden of disproof. (It is a logical fallacy to claim that your own metaphysical position is automatically the default truth against which all others must carry the burden of disproof. Especially when theism is the prevailing, long-standing, majority worldview.)
Of course, you can retreat to the neutral corner and fly the white flag of agnosticism pleading that you are open-minded and that God, angels, miracles might exist. But that would make you an agnostic. Not an atheist. And your brain would have two conflicting positions - a) theism might be true. b) atheism might be true.
(March 11, 2013 at 10:11 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(March 11, 2013 at 9:06 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Rationalism and enlightenment principles are not uniquely atheistTM principles because atheists can be deliberately ignorant, irrational and unenlightened about their own atheism. Atheism is attended by dogmatic a priori assumptions and illogical assertions. It can certainly be shown to be every bit as much of a faith-based worldview as those which atheism condemns as irrational.
Atheists can be anything at all, pretty much. An atheist can be selfish, lazy, stupid, hateful, spiteful, mean, capricious, jealous, petty, violent, wicked and cruel...
Thats right. They CAN. And atheism, has no objective basis to differentiate these acts as sinful/evil. But that too, is part of what can be used to define atheism.