RE: Thanks for creating a forum with real debate!
March 12, 2013 at 8:32 am
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2013 at 8:34 am by Ben Davis.)
(March 12, 2013 at 2:06 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Naturalism. (Belief in supernatural events would be heretical. In fact, the acceptance of souls, angels, miracles, for example, would mean you were NOT an atheist.)Not all atheists are naturalists
Quote:Empirical evidence-based scientism. (Myopia. Only tool you own is a hammer. All problems resemble a nail. We ''ought'' to rely on the scientific method but science doesnt do "ought". Science only does "IS".)Not all atheists are empricists
Quote:Presuppositionalism. (An unverified past-eternal, perpetual motion universe/multiverse can and must exist without a cause. This is necessary to avoid the Kalam cosmology.)Not all atheists are presuppositionalists
Quote:The fallacy of the default position / burden of disproof. (It is a logical fallacy to claim that your own metaphysical position is automatically the default truth against which all others must carry the burden of disproof. Especially when theism is the prevailing, long-standing, majority worldview.)Not a fallacy: the burden of proof lies on those making a claim not on those who don't accept the claim on face-value.
Quote:Of course, you can retreat to the neutral corner and fly the white flag of agnosticism pleading that you are open-minded and that God, angels, miracles might exist. But that would make you an agnostic. Not an atheist. And your brain would have two conflicting positions - a) theism might be true. b) atheism might be true.'A/theism' and 'A/gnosticism' are 2 different subjects, one referring to belief, the other referring to knowledge. Also, false dichotomy - correction: a) theism is true. b) theism is not true.
Quote:Thats right. They CAN. And atheism, has no objective basis to differentiate these acts as sinful/evil.You're right here: atheism has no statement for anything other than as a response to the question on belief in theistic propositions.
Quote: But that too, is part of what can be used to define atheism....and then you're so wrong here, it's laughable: a lack of ability to differentiate good from evil is as much part of the definition of atheism as the lack of ability to differentiate bats from birds. Oh, hang on...
Sum ergo sum