Thanks for creating a forum with real debate!

[Jackalope]

Is this an example of a reasoned argument that you're presenting?



Naked assertion.


Naked assertion.


Oh, here's another one.

Shall we do this with all of your posts, or are you ready to acknowledge that the above are merely your opinion, and not rational arguments?

Actually, you missed the argument that I made, so I will put it in another form. You are over simplifying, reading my words literalistically, and ignoring other posts which establish my arguments and responding with one sentence answers.

1. K = J T B ( Knowledge = justified true belief ) - an accepted model of epistemology
2. Negative claims that something are not so are knowledge claims (to know that something is not, is not epistemologically different from knowing what is) - (self evident)
3. Negative knowledge claims are based on Knowledge equals justified true belief or something similar (Knowledge is defined as justified true belief) - N = negative truth claims - if N = K then N = KTB
4. Atheist knowledge claims are negative knowledge claims (self evident)
5. N = KTB so atheist negative knowledge claims require justified truth belief

I would figure this all so far would be completely self evident.

In order to defend your default position, you need to rely on some sort of external ideology.

6. K=JTB requires an external ideology for its sense of justification, of truth, and nature of belief, as well as knowledge, and in the context of modernity, ideologies and science to support all the requisite labs, books, social freedom, everything that is required for K=JTB to exist in (self evident)
7. N=K=JTB and atheism is is N, so to know atheism is true you must have 6.

I would have thought that is all self evident...

6. is word salad. Can you clarify?

I will grant you that "God exists" and "no gods exist" are truth claims that both require justification, and that some atheists make the claim that "no gods exist".

You are, however, ignoring an alternate atheist position, which is "I do not believe any gods exist". That position is not a knowledge claim.