Toaster strudel alliance takes on drugs, atheists and liberalism

[Mister Agenda]

I did not say that most atheists are Communists, what I said was that Marxism is an extremely heavy influence over the atheist movement. That is true. If you are an honest person, you will care about that.

Would you please name one tenet of communism that has influenced 'the atheism movmenent'?

Ridiculing me will not disprove what is a historical fact: Communism is the only political manifestation of atheism in history, and it is 1/5th of the population, and it is a major influence on atheist thought.

Communism is a political manifestation of Marxism, but not a very good one. If you have the integrity to accept Islamic theocracies as political manifestations of theism, I might let this one slide.

Do you know who Stephen J Gould or Christopher Hitchens are? They are major leaders in the atheist movement.

It's not a movement. Neither is theism. No one can speak for atheism. No one can speak for theism. People speak for themselves and their influence is pretty much solely based on what they have to say and how well they say it. That said, there is something of a movement in America for atheists to be more open about being atheists, it's what any decent person would want for for their fellow humans, and many theists support us in this, and reassure us that most American theists no longer believe in persecuting or discriminating against atheists. You should be on board.

Atheists don't care that they are Marxist.

I'm not going to disagree with what someone says because they're a Marxist. What they say has to stand or fall on its own merits. I'm perfectly capable of disagreeing with someone on politics and agreeing with them about something else. You should be, too.

When you add in all the people that are very, very far to the left politically, I think you probably capture 40% of the atheist movement or so.

That's probably in the ballpark of how many of us consistently vote Democrat, anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_...n_politics

It is true that this is not a scientific statistic, but do you care that many atheist leaders are either Marxists or radical leftists?

I don't acknowledge the existence of 'atheist leaders'. It's like claiming there are 'black leaders'. No one voted to give anyone the right to speak for African Americans, and no has the right. There are just black people that get more attention, especially from the media, than others.

Even in the case of people like Ayn Rand, you see someone who was not politically to the left but was deeply influenced by Marxists. The whole atheist movement is like this.

Deeply moved to completely reject Marxism. You like to get us coming and going, don't you?

Atheism is most definately its own culture, it is a left wing movement, with values and culture and advocacy that would be completely unsurprising for a left wing movement to have.

Theism is most definitely its own culture, it is a right wing movement, with values and culture and advocacy that would be completely unsurprising for a right wing movement to have.

I believe that statement describes theism as accurately as yours does atheism.

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This basically issustrates the sort of epistemology you people have.

So we're 'you people'. That sounds very familiar....

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There would be if people were interrupting other people's Saturday mornings to try to convince them to collect stamps or use tax money for stamp-based initiatives, or stamp-collecting was widely seen as a necessary component of patriotism, or if 40% of Americans wouldn't want their child to marry a non-stamp-collector or vote for a non-stamp-collector for president. There really would be.

Uh, you're supporting my point by emphasizing the differences between atheism and astampism. Thanks!

If that's what you think, I am happy to accept your gratitude.

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So, does "cracker" mean like cracking a whip? Or does it mean white like a saltine?
Inquiring crackers wanna know...

To be pedantic, which I rarely shirk from, the term predates the era of white overseers and refers to poor white mule drivers, which the old South had an abundance of in colonial times. A lot of people do think it refers to the crack of the overseer's whip, and mean it that way when they say it. A lot of people mean 'pale like a saltine' when they say it, too. In that sense, I think it may be the one racially-based pejorative that can actually hurt a honkey's feelings, if they realize it doesn't necessarily mean a pale, salty wafer.