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The Absolute Truth
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RE: The Absolute Truth
Quote:I should have clarified I meant "...an endless possibility of interpretations through the Bible..." because this whole thread is about Biblical interpretations.

How does this deal with the fact that your view of philosophy of language is self refuting? If there is an endless possibility of interpretations about the Bible, there are an endless number of interpretations about everything.

1. There is an endless possibility of interpretations about the Bible
2. If there is an endless possibility of interpretations about the Bible, there is an endless possibility of interpretations of all texts
3. There is an endless possibility of interpretation of all texts
4. If there is an endless possibility of interpretations of all texts, there is no definite meaning to this text
5. There is no definite meaning to this text
6. If there is no definite meaning to this text, it has no knowable truth value
7. This text has no knowable truth value - the argument is self refuting because it is epistemological unknowable

This is the truth:
1. The Bible is a complicated book that has multiple interpretations
2. Where there are multiple interpretations, there is no definite, easily discernible interpretation in every case
3. There is no definite, easily discernible interpretation of the Bible in every case

I will accept that 3 is true. But for it to be significant, you must prove 4:
4. If there is no definite, easily discernible interpretation of the Bible in every case, the Bible text cannot communicate anything
or
5. If there is no definite, easily discernible interpretation of the Bible in every case, God has not revealed scripture

Neither of these are self evident propositions. They both require substantial evidence and both have very powerful arguments against them.
For instance,
4'. in spite of not having the original Biblical autographs, the original text of the Bible, the Bible has been the most important book in history and has served to ground the most powerful civilization in history in a clearly defined code of ethics
and
5'. In the Bible, God explicitly reveals himself as a God who will use a prostitute (Rahab), become born in a manager (Jesus), will intend evil as good (in the case of Joseph), will use murders and blasphemers (such as Paul) and will routinely not manifest H'Shem as a God who is absolutely concerned with being moral before God will manifest himself.

The other stuff is just talk, there is no argument (if you put it in self evident propositions -> conclusions like you did above I will give more detailed analysis)
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The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 13, 2013 at 10:37 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Angrboda - March 13, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 13, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Drich - March 14, 2013 at 1:20 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 14, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by ronedee - March 14, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Baalzebutt - March 14, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Whateverist - March 14, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by ronedee - March 15, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Whateverist - March 15, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by ronedee - March 15, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Neo-Scholastic - March 15, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Tonus - March 15, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by ronedee - March 20, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Esquilax - March 21, 2013 at 12:42 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Angrboda - March 15, 2013 at 11:24 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Whateverist - March 16, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Brakeman - March 14, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 14, 2013 at 11:44 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Brakeman - March 15, 2013 at 6:46 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 15, 2013 at 10:11 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 15, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by ronedee - March 15, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by downbeatplumb - March 15, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Minimalist - March 15, 2013 at 1:40 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Neo-Scholastic - March 15, 2013 at 8:34 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Tonus - March 15, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 15, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 15, 2013 at 1:16 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 15, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 15, 2013 at 10:36 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Neo-Scholastic - March 15, 2013 at 10:54 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 15, 2013 at 10:58 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Neo-Scholastic - March 15, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 16, 2013 at 12:03 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Neo-Scholastic - March 16, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Whateverist - March 16, 2013 at 7:24 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Neo-Scholastic - March 17, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Whateverist - March 17, 2013 at 1:18 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Neo-Scholastic - March 17, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Godschild - March 16, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Minimalist - March 15, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Godschild - March 16, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Tonus - March 16, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Godschild - March 16, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Angrboda - March 16, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Godschild - March 17, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Cato - March 17, 2013 at 3:00 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 17, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by frankiej - March 17, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Godschild - March 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Anomalocaris - March 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Godschild - March 17, 2013 at 4:37 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Minimalist - March 16, 2013 at 2:11 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by KichigaiNeko - March 16, 2013 at 2:11 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Godschild - March 16, 2013 at 2:39 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by KichigaiNeko - March 16, 2013 at 2:44 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 17, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 17, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Silver - March 17, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 17, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by MysticKnight - March 17, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 17, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 17, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by FallentoReason - March 17, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 18, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2013 at 9:26 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 18, 2013 at 9:40 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Neo-Scholastic - March 19, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Angrboda - March 19, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Neo-Scholastic - March 20, 2013 at 9:23 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 18, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 18, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 18, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by downbeatplumb - March 19, 2013 at 1:32 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by MysticKnight - March 18, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 18, 2013 at 10:57 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 18, 2013 at 11:05 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Silver - March 18, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 18, 2013 at 11:40 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 18, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Silver - March 18, 2013 at 11:31 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Esquilax - March 19, 2013 at 10:56 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Silver - March 19, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Esquilax - March 19, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2013 at 11:27 am
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 19, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Silver - March 19, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 19, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 19, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Silver - March 19, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 19, 2013 at 11:24 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Whateverist - March 19, 2013 at 11:31 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Angrboda - March 19, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by jstrodel - March 19, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Whateverist - March 19, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by Darkstar - March 19, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by The Grand Nudger - March 20, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: The Absolute Truth - by EGross - March 21, 2013 at 1:00 am

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