RE: The Absolute Truth
March 15, 2013 at 1:16 pm
(This post was last modified: March 15, 2013 at 1:18 pm by FallentoReason.)
(March 15, 2013 at 12:39 pm)jstrodel Wrote:Quote:I should have clarified I meant "...an endless possibility of interpretations through the Bible..." because this whole thread is about Biblical interpretations.
How does this deal with the fact that your view of philosophy of language is self refuting? If there is an endless possibility of interpretations about the Bible, there are an endless number of interpretations about everything.
1. There is an endless possibility of interpretations about the Bible
2. If there is an endless possibility of interpretations about the Bible, there is an endless possibility of interpretations of all texts
3. There is an endless possibility of interpretation of all texts
Wrong. I'll have to stop you there because you're assuming all other texts are like the Bible; they can't be verified anymore. Guess what? I'm alive and able to tell you what my text means. The authors and pseudo-authors of the Bible are long gone, hence the confusion about what it means.
Quote:4. If there is an endless possibility of interpretations of all texts, there is no definite meaning to this text
5. There is no definite meaning to this text
6. If there is no definite meaning to this text, it has no knowable truth value
7. This text has no knowable truth value - the argument is self refuting because it is epistemological unknowable
The rest of your points are irrelevant as one of your propositions is flawed.
Quote:This is the truth:
1. The Bible is a complicated book that has multiple interpretations
2. Where there are multiple interpretations, there is no definite, easily discernible interpretation in every case
3. There is no definite, easily discernible interpretation of the Bible in every case
I will accept that 3 is true. But for it to be significant, you must prove 4:
4. If there is no definite, easily discernible interpretation of the Bible in every case, the Bible text cannot communicate anything
or
5. If there is no definite, easily discernible interpretation of the Bible in every case, God has not revealed scripture
4: in essence the text communicates *something*, but that something is meaningless as we have Christians falling over each other trying to explain their mysterious invisible friend.
5: I already told you why the Bible isn't the "Word of God". Refute it, or deal with it.
Quote:Neither of these are self evident propositions.
Contradictory denominations makes 4 just about self-evident. 5... well, like I said, refute it or deal with it; the Bible is not the "Word of God" but rather a collection of words by fellow mammals.
Quote:They both require substantial evidence and both have very powerful arguments against them.
For instance,
4'. in spite of not having the original Biblical autographs, the original text of the Bible, the Bible has been the most important book in history and has served to ground the most powerful civilization in history in a clearly defined code of ethics
and
Examples off the top of my head:
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." ~ Cardinal Bellarmine, during the trial of Galileo, 1615
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." ~ Hitler
Christianity: Fueling ignorance and genocide since the Bronze Age.
Quote:5'. In the Bible, God explicitly reveals himself as a God who will use a prostitute (Rahab), become born in a manager (Jesus), will intend evil as good (in the case of Joseph), will use murders and blasphemers (such as Paul) and will routinely not manifest H'Shem as a God who is absolutely concerned with being moral before God will manifest himself.
This doesn't counter point 5 whatsoever. Saying that the narrative has God supposedly doing things ergo the narrative is proof of God doing things is circular reasoning.
Quote:The other stuff is just talk, there is no argument (if you put it in self evident propositions -> conclusions like you did above I will give more detailed analysis)
Consider your work cut out for you. I demand explanations, so better start asking your god. Otherwise, consider your belief system invalid or severly questionable until any sort of explanation is given for such fundamental controversies.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle