Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...

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I don't know if you're intentionally doing this or what... At conception, the sperm and egg combine to create a new human lifeform. Basic biology, I'm not "defining" it, science is. It is not equivelant to a hair, a sperm, an egg or a fucking fish. It's human and has it's own unique human DNA.

Yeah, I guess. Whatever. It doesn't alter my main point, which is that cellular life, human or not, does not equal a fully functioning and alive human being. You're trying to add some extra special significance to what's really just a lump of cells like any other in your body, and that's what you can't justify, because that's not basic biology.

Again, you're assigning adjectives to something which you use to deny what you wrote below. You're concerned with appearances to establish species classification. The "body" starts as a single cell and is "alive" at conception. This is basic biology man, embrace it.

I never said it wasn't. I'm just, quite correctly pointing out that, if you were to take that cellular life and place it outside of the mother's body, it would die. It's not a person. It's a form of human life, but that doesn't make it a living human.

And this is what is funny. You say this and think you can be right?
If those "certain metrics" say that life itself starts, WHAT FUCKING SPECIES IS IT?!?!?!

It's human life, but just saying that is too vague for the discussion we're having. And you know this. The problem is that your position thrives in emotions and vagueness, rather than in facts, which is why the moment anyone has the audacity to go into their position in greater detail you try to drag us all back into this rudimentary bullshit.

So, let's just establish this: the species classification of a human embryo is human. Does this help anyone make their case? No, because it's only human by the most basic definitions of such: genetically it's human, but so's your kidney. Biologically it's human, but so's your hair.

There's more that goes into a human life than genes and cells, catfish. That's where the divide is; there's something valuable about human lives, but not about their genetics and individual cells.