Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 10, 2023 at 4:23 am
This thread is to discuss the Manifest Evil of Pre-Natal Infanticide, or so-called Abortion, or Abortion-Killing. Is it right or wrong, and how do we know? First, the Biblical Prohibitions and those in the Didache for e.g. "The Lord’s Teaching to the Heathen by the Twelve Apostles … The second commandment of the Teaching: “Do not murder; do not commit adultery”; do not corrupt boys; do not fornicate; “do not steal”; do not practice magic; do not go in for sorcery; do not murder a child by abortion or kill a newborn infant.” (The Didache, First Century A.D. Oral Tradition); And why? Because, as the Didache, which comes from Christ's Apostles, continues, “this is the way of life” while “there are two ways, one of life and one of death; and between the two ways there is a great difference,” and it implies that the way of death leads to a culture of death and to perdition if unrepented, which is what we've seen sadly come to pass in our time. Some 2 BN children have been killed worldwide by Abortion.
But the wrongness of Abortion can also be proven, through Mere Reason/Natural Law, especially when Medical Science has now clearly proven that Babies, from around 6 weeks in the Mother's Womb, have discernible beating human hearts. Let's make a few Scientific Arguments against Abortion.
1. The First Argument Against Abortion - Abortion kills Babies by stopping their Beating Hearts, and stopping the Beating Hearts of Babies is wrong.
Premise I: It is wrong to kill babies with beating hearts.
Premise II: Abortion kills babies with beating hearts.
Conclusion: Therefore, Abortion is something clearly wrong.
Generally, atheists or other Pro-Choice Liberals don't disagree with any of these premises per se, because they are Scientific and Moral Facts, but if anyone here wants to, let them, and then we'll see; rather, Atheists/Liberals generally say, since the Mother gave birth to the Child, and the Child now lives in her Womb, therefore she can kill him/her. Which brings us to the 2nd Argument against Abortion, which is also a response to that.
2. The Second Argument against Abortion - it is true that children are dependent upon their parents, their Mother when they're in the womb, but also their Parents, when they're very young, for food and other things pertaining to the sustenance of life itself; it's also true that, later on in the cycle of life, very often Parents will mostly be dependent on their children again, especially in very old age. If therefore, it's moral and lawful for Parents to kill Children in young age, it should be Perfectly Fine also for Children to kill dependent Parents in old age. But it isn't. Therefore, neither is it moral or lawful for Parents to kill children when very young, either before or after birth. So, likewise, it is not right for children to abandon their parents, or neglect to care for them when they, who cared for us all our life, now need our help in old age. These are good, solid, traditional moral values, affirmed by Christians, Hindus, Muslims, people of all religions, and even some Atheists. Why do others disagree? What reasoning/scientific and moral principles can they give, in order to justify their beliefs and behavior on this point. Let's see if it can hold up to Reason and Scrutiny, or it was a silly idea invented by some godless men like Marxists, and some liberal Racist women like Margaret Sanger.
Interestingly, the Hindu Scriptures, which also speaks against Abortion-Killing, compare Abortion to the Crime of killing one's own Parents, who gave birth to us, who loved us, and cared for us; see how Good Values ought to be promoted; first, Parents ought to care, and have the Objective Moral Natural Obligation to care for the Children they brought into the world. Second, Children in turn, having been the recipients of that care all their life, but especially in infancy, when most vulnerable should also care for their Parents all their life, but esp. in old age, when most vulnerable.
Which brings us to the third point:
3. Racist Margaret Sanger, foundress of Planned Parenthood, promotes Black Genocide: “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the N [racial slur; African American] population". This is not just "inartfully written", as Liberal Washington Post idiots claimed. This is Pure Racist Black Genocide, which is what the foundress of Planned Parenthood, a famous abortionist organization, aimed for. That's what Abortion is. The Genocide of a people. How sad, some liberal christians, some liberal atheists, and other leftists/liberals, don't see the evil intent behind it.
One more fact on this point, hardly known in the West. So, if indeed, as I said, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, [conservative, traditional and orthodox, i.e.; some adherents of all these religions may not adhere to their Scriptures on this point] are all against Abortion, and much of the world is either Christian, Hindu or Muslim, then who on earth first promoted Abortion as some kind of Panacea? Ah yes, the Communists/Marxists.
Wiki: "The Soviet government was the first government in Europe to legalize abortion. In October 1920 the Bolsheviks made abortion legal within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic". Sigh.
You know, the same Bolshevik Stalinist Atheists, who killed some 10 MN Poor Ukrainians, most of whom were Christians (Ukraine is a 90% Christian Country), these are the same persons who promoted Abortion-Killing, for their own Racist, Anti-Humane and Christophobic Reasons.
So, who are we going to listen to? Morality, Science, Conscience, Reason, or those like Godless Commie Thug Jo Stalin who killed some 20 MN?
[For a source, in 1989, the NYT Reported: "A Soviet weekly newspaper today published the most detailed accounting of Stalin's victims yet presented to a mass audience here, indicating that about 20 million died in labor camps, forced collectivization, famine and executions."]
Thoughts?
Let's Debate.
Serious Issue.
Regards,
Xavier.
But the wrongness of Abortion can also be proven, through Mere Reason/Natural Law, especially when Medical Science has now clearly proven that Babies, from around 6 weeks in the Mother's Womb, have discernible beating human hearts. Let's make a few Scientific Arguments against Abortion.
1. The First Argument Against Abortion - Abortion kills Babies by stopping their Beating Hearts, and stopping the Beating Hearts of Babies is wrong.
Premise I: It is wrong to kill babies with beating hearts.
Premise II: Abortion kills babies with beating hearts.
Conclusion: Therefore, Abortion is something clearly wrong.
Generally, atheists or other Pro-Choice Liberals don't disagree with any of these premises per se, because they are Scientific and Moral Facts, but if anyone here wants to, let them, and then we'll see; rather, Atheists/Liberals generally say, since the Mother gave birth to the Child, and the Child now lives in her Womb, therefore she can kill him/her. Which brings us to the 2nd Argument against Abortion, which is also a response to that.
2. The Second Argument against Abortion - it is true that children are dependent upon their parents, their Mother when they're in the womb, but also their Parents, when they're very young, for food and other things pertaining to the sustenance of life itself; it's also true that, later on in the cycle of life, very often Parents will mostly be dependent on their children again, especially in very old age. If therefore, it's moral and lawful for Parents to kill Children in young age, it should be Perfectly Fine also for Children to kill dependent Parents in old age. But it isn't. Therefore, neither is it moral or lawful for Parents to kill children when very young, either before or after birth. So, likewise, it is not right for children to abandon their parents, or neglect to care for them when they, who cared for us all our life, now need our help in old age. These are good, solid, traditional moral values, affirmed by Christians, Hindus, Muslims, people of all religions, and even some Atheists. Why do others disagree? What reasoning/scientific and moral principles can they give, in order to justify their beliefs and behavior on this point. Let's see if it can hold up to Reason and Scrutiny, or it was a silly idea invented by some godless men like Marxists, and some liberal Racist women like Margaret Sanger.
Interestingly, the Hindu Scriptures, which also speaks against Abortion-Killing, compare Abortion to the Crime of killing one's own Parents, who gave birth to us, who loved us, and cared for us; see how Good Values ought to be promoted; first, Parents ought to care, and have the Objective Moral Natural Obligation to care for the Children they brought into the world. Second, Children in turn, having been the recipients of that care all their life, but especially in infancy, when most vulnerable should also care for their Parents all their life, but esp. in old age, when most vulnerable.
Which brings us to the third point:
3. Racist Margaret Sanger, foundress of Planned Parenthood, promotes Black Genocide: “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the N [racial slur; African American] population". This is not just "inartfully written", as Liberal Washington Post idiots claimed. This is Pure Racist Black Genocide, which is what the foundress of Planned Parenthood, a famous abortionist organization, aimed for. That's what Abortion is. The Genocide of a people. How sad, some liberal christians, some liberal atheists, and other leftists/liberals, don't see the evil intent behind it.
One more fact on this point, hardly known in the West. So, if indeed, as I said, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, [conservative, traditional and orthodox, i.e.; some adherents of all these religions may not adhere to their Scriptures on this point] are all against Abortion, and much of the world is either Christian, Hindu or Muslim, then who on earth first promoted Abortion as some kind of Panacea? Ah yes, the Communists/Marxists.
Wiki: "The Soviet government was the first government in Europe to legalize abortion. In October 1920 the Bolsheviks made abortion legal within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic". Sigh.
You know, the same Bolshevik Stalinist Atheists, who killed some 10 MN Poor Ukrainians, most of whom were Christians (Ukraine is a 90% Christian Country), these are the same persons who promoted Abortion-Killing, for their own Racist, Anti-Humane and Christophobic Reasons.
So, who are we going to listen to? Morality, Science, Conscience, Reason, or those like Godless Commie Thug Jo Stalin who killed some 20 MN?
[For a source, in 1989, the NYT Reported: "A Soviet weekly newspaper today published the most detailed accounting of Stalin's victims yet presented to a mass audience here, indicating that about 20 million died in labor camps, forced collectivization, famine and executions."]
Thoughts?
Let's Debate.
Serious Issue.
Regards,
Xavier.
