RE: Please help me with Banu Qurayza story
March 17, 2013 at 4:59 pm
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2013 at 5:10 pm by Dawud.)
I was an atheist and had no Muslims in my family before I converted and grew up in a mainly atheist school - so there you are wrong.
Your sources you showed me stated that it was under the Qurayzas own law "Mosaic law" that they were killed.
The sources also say that they accepted it cos - believe it or not - they believed in their laws...
That's what your sources say.
It is just silly to call it genocide also.
I think you are just projecting your own doubts on to me.
To portray the events as genocide is unfair to the meaning of genocide and untrue to the sources that you showed me.
I had been a non-Muslim atheist til 21 years old you see - disproving your strange back story... Uh oh!
Anyway as I say - the event did happen but if you actually read the sources you will see that it was not according to Muhammad's hate for Jews - no: your sources showed that this was a carrying out of a punishment according to Jewish law and that the Qurayza accepted it. Also I study Islam at university and like Muslim scholars I do not solely take Muslim sources as authoritative.
Hence you were mistaken about the brainwashing stuff and non-Muslim stuff - I agree wholeheartedly with the non-Muslim you quoted as saying it was a punishment under Jewish law.
I also accept fully that there was sadly and - as the evidence you showed me said: the slaughter was accepted.
So... I won't get you to explicitly apologise for your mistaken assumptions about me but at least this.
Do you accept that the evidence you showed me said it was a punishment under Jewish law and that the Banu Qurayza accepted the punishment?
Please - yes or no...
(PS I use Mosaic law to mean the law of Moses AKA Jewish law found in Deuteronomy - as scholars of religion do)
PS - chill with the bad manners please: show me the fruits of this 'truth' you've discovered.
I mean - this agnosticism has improved you in some way?
I used to be such a chilled out agnostic!
I didn't get my back up too much.
PS I'm having this conversation in the hope that, even if you are agnostic, you might respect the evidence and not join in the plight of those people who just hate your family because they are not atheist/Christian/something else but claim to be Muslim. Christian fundamentalists wave this story about like mad, as well as keyboard warrior atheists but it wouldn't stand to reason in my University or any other to put forward this story as genocide: first of all because the evidence available shows the administration and acceptance of a punishment under Deuteronomical law by the tribe, second to deny the evidence (allowed) is to put one in an agnostic mode (also allowed) or put one into a mode of just making up the story how they want (which just isn't accepted in our universities...)
Trust the truth - accept your mistakes: move on to the next argument. I'd live you to because it was the continual effort to disprove the truth of Islam which brought me to such a high and deep understanding of its clear truth - Alhamdulillah!
Follow the white man's way - truth through falsification!
Your sources you showed me stated that it was under the Qurayzas own law "Mosaic law" that they were killed.
The sources also say that they accepted it cos - believe it or not - they believed in their laws...
That's what your sources say.
It is just silly to call it genocide also.
I think you are just projecting your own doubts on to me.
To portray the events as genocide is unfair to the meaning of genocide and untrue to the sources that you showed me.
I had been a non-Muslim atheist til 21 years old you see - disproving your strange back story... Uh oh!
Anyway as I say - the event did happen but if you actually read the sources you will see that it was not according to Muhammad's hate for Jews - no: your sources showed that this was a carrying out of a punishment according to Jewish law and that the Qurayza accepted it. Also I study Islam at university and like Muslim scholars I do not solely take Muslim sources as authoritative.
Hence you were mistaken about the brainwashing stuff and non-Muslim stuff - I agree wholeheartedly with the non-Muslim you quoted as saying it was a punishment under Jewish law.
I also accept fully that there was sadly and - as the evidence you showed me said: the slaughter was accepted.
So... I won't get you to explicitly apologise for your mistaken assumptions about me but at least this.
Do you accept that the evidence you showed me said it was a punishment under Jewish law and that the Banu Qurayza accepted the punishment?
Please - yes or no...
(PS I use Mosaic law to mean the law of Moses AKA Jewish law found in Deuteronomy - as scholars of religion do)
PS - chill with the bad manners please: show me the fruits of this 'truth' you've discovered.
I mean - this agnosticism has improved you in some way?
I used to be such a chilled out agnostic!
I didn't get my back up too much.
PS I'm having this conversation in the hope that, even if you are agnostic, you might respect the evidence and not join in the plight of those people who just hate your family because they are not atheist/Christian/something else but claim to be Muslim. Christian fundamentalists wave this story about like mad, as well as keyboard warrior atheists but it wouldn't stand to reason in my University or any other to put forward this story as genocide: first of all because the evidence available shows the administration and acceptance of a punishment under Deuteronomical law by the tribe, second to deny the evidence (allowed) is to put one in an agnostic mode (also allowed) or put one into a mode of just making up the story how they want (which just isn't accepted in our universities...)
Trust the truth - accept your mistakes: move on to the next argument. I'd live you to because it was the continual effort to disprove the truth of Islam which brought me to such a high and deep understanding of its clear truth - Alhamdulillah!
Follow the white man's way - truth through falsification!
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