RE: If God is all mighty,why doesn't he change bad people/seiners into good ones?
March 18, 2013 at 6:30 pm
(This post was last modified: March 18, 2013 at 7:26 pm by John V.)
(March 18, 2013 at 5:42 pm)festive1 Wrote: Unlike you, perhaps they don't consider themselves slaves.You don't get my point. It's not about right/wrong, it's about consistency. It's stupid to claim that the same people feels free to disagree with the Catholic church regarding extramarital sex, but feels obliged to obey the Catholic church's position on condoms.
What is considered sinful and immoral is often culturally relative. Simply because some people don't consider extra-marital sex a sin, doesn't make their views wrong and your's right. It just means they're different.
It makes no sense to suppose that they obey on the one point of condom use but disobey the rest.
(March 18, 2013 at 5:56 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Because that's something the average African pauper can either access readily or afford.We're not talking about the average American pauper. We're talking about a saint. And as 2.5 million babies have apparently been tested, I would think that yes, testing is accessible and affordable. Or are you just making up numbers?
Quote:If you assume that all cases of AIDS are transmitted via consensual sex or drug use, yes. That is, of course, entirely untrue. What does Catholic doctrine suggest we do with the two and a half million babies born with AIDS? 21st century leper colonies?If AIDS is now survivable, why do you go on about all these deaths? If not, then unfortunately no plan is needed for such babies.
Quote:What about the extraordinary prevalence of rape in sub-Saharan Africa, and the tens of thousands of young people and children infected in this manner? How does Catholic doctrine protect them?How do condoms protect rape victims? Are you now claiming that rapists used to use them, but the church guilted them out of it?
Quote:What saints they are for not making the problem even worse than they have already made it.You haven't demonstrated that they've made it worse. I just checked on statistics and found that about 1/6 of Africans are Catholic. That's also the case in the southern region, which has the highest AIDS proportions. I find it more likely that the 84% are more of a problem than the 16%. Plus, research has found that religion is not a big factor in condom use in Africa:
http://www.futurity.org/health-medicine/...a-bad-rap/
Quote:Some religious groups in Africa are criticized for prohibiting condom use, a practice that can prevent the transmission HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. However, most people do not avoid condoms because of religious teachings, according to the researchers, who detail their findings in Religion and AIDS in Africa (2012, Oxford University Press).
During interviews, people frequently complained that condoms diminish sexual pleasure, but seldom attributed any reluctance to use them to their religious beliefs, according to Trinitapoli.
The researchers’ analysis of condom use data from the African Demographic and Health Surveys also points to a lack of religious motivation for condom avoidance. Despite the Catholic Church’s prohibitions against condoms, African Catholics are no less likely to report using condoms than Protestants, whose religious leaders do not prohibit their use. Condom use tends to be lowest among Muslims even though there is no prohibition against condom use among mainstream Muslim leaders.
Here's a column written by the lead author of the research I noted earlier.
http://www.centredaily.com/2013/02/17/35...chers.html