RE: If God is all mighty,why doesn't he change bad people/seiners into good ones?
March 18, 2013 at 8:21 pm
(March 18, 2013 at 6:30 pm)John V Wrote: We're not talking about the average American pauper. We're talking about a saint. And as 2.5 million babies have apparently been tested, I would think that yes, testing is accessible and affordable. Or are you just making up numbers?
Without treatment or aid, transmission rates of AIDS from mother to child can be as high as 45%. AIDS also has a much more noticeable effect on children, with their underdeveloped immune systems. Mass testing is not required to get a general grasp of the number of children with the disease.
A person who contracts it in adulthood can conceal it much more easily, as well. They may not even realize they carry it until it is obviously manifest, which could take years, so adhering to Catholic doctrine is in no way a guarantee of safety, unless they are indoctrinated from birth and never falter.
As for numbers, I discovered that my source was outdated, the actual range according to the UN is 3.1-3.8 million children infected.
And, this is all beside the point. If the church cared about human life as much as it cared about proselytizing, they would promote protection in addition to sexual repression, as a concession to reality.
Quote:If AIDS is now survivable, why do you go on about all these deaths? If not, then unfortunately no plan is needed for such babies.
I didn't know that Africans had access to state of the art experimental first world medical treatment which was first demonstrated to work last week. Certainly, nobody in Africa will die from AIDS from now on. Thanks for letting me know.
Quote:How do condoms protect rape victims? Are you now claiming that rapists used to use them, but the church guilted them out of it?
That's the wrong question. The question is, how does the doctrine banning pre-marital sex protect rape victims, if that doctrine is the magic pill which would cure everything?
Quote:You haven't demonstrated that they've made it worse. I just checked on statistics and found that about 1/6 of Africans are Catholic. That's also the case in the southern region, which has the highest AIDS proportions. I find it more likely that the 84% are more of a problem than the 16%. Plus, research has found that religion is not a big factor in condom use in Africa:
http://www.futurity.org/health-medicine/...a-bad-rap/\
Does a person have to be a professing Catholic to listen to their diatribe and follow it? The Pope doesn't resort to scripture to justify his position to Africans, he tells them outright lies about how condoms help spread AIDS faster.
The Catholic church is not involved in this out of charity. They are exploiting a crisis to push their dogma.
[quote=Mr. Epistemotology] The cruelest thing in the world to do would be to suggest to someone that 95% effectiveness or 99% effectiveness was enough to stop something as dangerous as HIV.
That would be cruel, but it is also a giant strawman. A device with 95-99% effectiveness would not stop HIV, it would just, you know, make it 95-99 times more likely to prevent it than not using one.
Instead, you guys introduce a standard you know that most people can't live up to, blame people for being people when your stupid idea doesn't work, and make it worse by disallowing effective alternatives. Which, when you get right down to it, is a very Christian way of doing things, isn't it?
