Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...

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You are going to talk about brain activity to catfish?! I don't know if he will relate.

Oh, come on. I'm perfectly willing to be nice if he is, and the discourse has gotten noticeably more civil over the last few pages, I ain't gonna throw him under the bus now.

Now this is something I agree with.
So can I also assume that you find taking human life (without just cause) immoral also?

Well, that goes without saying.

Actually, some forms that I find acceptable like killing a fly that hovers around your food I would find unacceptable to do in the outdoors when personal "space" has not been violated. I.E. people who rip the wings off or kill just because they can.

Agreed, and that's the difference; we instinctively dislike mindless cruelty, but we're perfectly willing to kill the fly once it becomes a direct inconvenience. The fly's life isn't worth the trade off for our comfort; I feel that the zygote is in the same position, at least until it develops a little more.

For me, if I had to draw a line that wasn't at conception, it would be when the zygote attaches to the uterus.
I look at this way... It's kind of like someone snatching you and dropping you off naked on some small, private island. They give you all the food and air you need. It's perfect weather. Clean and sanitary and comfortable as Hades. Then they get all fucking mad at you for eating their food and whack ya.

I think there's a flaw in that analogy. A more accurate one would be that I own the island, and either someone accidentally skydives onto my perfect island, or someone else dumps them (possibly forcibly) onto my island. Now, while it's certainly not that person's fault that they ended up on my island, I'm certainly not obligated to host them in my house for nine months, and then on my island sharing my things for eighteen years after that, am I?