(March 20, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Drich Wrote: What I am asking/saying is that we do not know what it cost God/Christ to be our sin sacerfice. So to say Christ died for us big whup." Is foolishness, because again we do not know nor are we told the complete extent of Christ's sacerfice.
That is an interesting approach. I admit that while I was taught that the ransom sacrifice of Christ was the basis of Christianity (it is how humanity is redeemed) I had never thought about what the cost was to Jesus or god until I'd long left religious belief behind. Had I ever been asked to consider that, it would have vexed me something awful, because that's the whole idea of sacrifice-- giving up something of great value to yourself in order to gain something greater for others. And Jesus considered it the greatest expression of love, to give your life for your friends.
I would consider it imperative to understand the actual cost, because that's what the faith is based on, that the sacrifice was necessary to save humanity. If we don't even understand what has been lost, how can we know what has been gained?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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