The concept of Hell discourages belief

[Drich]

What I am asking/saying is that we do not know what it cost God/Christ to be our sin sacerfice. So to say Christ died for us big whup." Is foolishness, because again we do not know nor are we told the complete extent of Christ's sacerfice.

That is an interesting approach. I admit that while I was taught that the ransom sacrifice of Christ was the basis of Christianity (it is how humanity is redeemed) I had never thought about what the cost was to Jesus or god until I'd long left religious belief behind. Had I ever been asked to consider that, it would have vexed me something awful, because that's the whole idea of sacrifice-- giving up something of great value to yourself in order to gain something greater for others. And Jesus considered it the greatest expression of love, to give your life for your friends.

I would consider it imperative to understand the actual cost, because that's what the faith is based on, that the sacrifice was necessary to save humanity. If we don't even understand what has been lost, how can we know what has been gained?

We know what was gained because the bible specifically tells us. We do not know what was lost because the bible doesn't tell us. There was a price all we know of it is it began on the cross, it doesn't mean it ended there. Which is the only thing I am pointing out when someone says Jesus died on the cross big deal He was raised from the Dead.

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You and I have completely different ideas of what imminent immediate life threatening danger means. Perhaps my 3 combat deployments in 7 yrs have made party girls seem less threatening, but I digress. It doesn't matter anyway.

Indeed.

You and I are in agreement over letting my son make the choices he wants to make. There is no issue there. If his life was in danger and it was within the limits of my human abilities to save him, then yes, I would. I accept that giving him the right to choose makes him vulnerable to mistakes. This is where you and I split ways...In your response, you forgot to follow one little rule in our thought experiment. All powerful, limitless potential...remember?

To what end? What if the only way to change the mind of your son was to rewrite his personality, to basically lobotomize him and make him a different person? What if he love "x" more than anything you could offer him? What if 'x' was Heroin and not just a party girl? What if one lead to the other? Do you suppose 'reason and understanding' has anything to do with how a Herion addict thinks? Even when they are not chemically dependant on the drug they still crave it.

It is with a similar craving some of us want to keep our sins. This is what seperates those who want to be with God and those who are activly seeking Hell. (whether they know it/can admit it or not)

If I were God, there would be nothing beyond my abilities. My son could live and make mistakes as many times as he wants and learn all sorts of lessons.

Which is what this life is all about.

There would be lots of them I wouldn't like or agree with.

Which is why Christ had to die on the cross.

Here is the second place we split roads...I WOULD NOT VULGARLY SUBJECT HIM TO TORTURE FOR A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION. That's the sick part. You don't seem to agree.

Hell is only torturous to those who lament their misspent life and want to be with God in the end. Not everyone in Hell will lament their life's choices. Even if they did so what? Eternity set aside for the living, those who are in Hell chose death over life. So why should they be allowed to infect the living with what made them choose death?

I look at it kind like The walking Dead/Zombie apocalypse. Where the living are alive and can be consumed by the dead. The dead being the malcontents or those who resent being under the authority and control of God.
-or- if you prefer:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/civilians-i...e-movement

I don't know how long since your deployment but evidently they are having trouble reestablishing the middle class, as the prominent are leaving in droves creating a social vacuum providing the "dead" an opportunity to forge documents and try and take a position of power and authority. (Doctors lawyers and other government officials)Giving "the Dead" or Resistance fighters/Terrorist, a Strong foot hold in winning back the hearts and minds of the people, forcing the current occupying force to eventually withdraw or re-engage.

Now Imagine what a little resentment will do to the population of Heaven over an eternity. This leaves God two options Cast those who look to destroy and corrupt His creation, or to lobotomize them. As Lobotomies are not an option it looks like the seperation of the "Wheat and the Weeds, the Sheep and the Goats" are his only real option. Then the question becomes Do it before our eternities begin? Or Wait a Trillion years or how ever long to do it then (Which would mean some of the orginally living would be infected with this Spiritual Zombie virus forcing God to get rid of someone who spent his life in service of Him.)

So, let me ask you this: What difference in opinion or mistake outside of cold hearted murder or rape, would it be okay to send your child to eternal pain and suffering? As a Christian you must know of several right?

It's not about any given act that should disqualify one from Heaven. It is about being able to accept the authority and Control of God. If you can then you qualify to work and live in what God has created for you. If you can't then you need to be seperated from those who can and may Otherwise infect the living with what has gotten ahold of you.

Remember this has already happen. The "zombie virus" started with one angel and moved to 1/3 of the population of Heaven's Angels. So the question should be is, Why should I go through all that I have gone through to get to where ever that takes me into Heaven and then have God allow a spiritual Zombie infect me? How tragic would that be? Especially if God knew this would happen, and could have stopped it with a simple quarantine measure?

Why Are your questions and indignation focused on protecting the spiritually dead? What about the Living? Don't the Living have rights in your world?