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Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
(March 22, 2013 at 7:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: [quote='smax' pid='417673' dateline='1363749083']quote]Completely false. The Bible does not advocate slavery. No where does it say to go out and enslave others. It does however regulate an existing evil to make it more humane. Considering that over 1/3 of people in the ancient world were slaves, the practice wouldn't disappear over-night. God was fully aware that change would take a long time and advised people accordingly.

As with many controversial verses and subjects in the bible, the path of Christian apologists is to ASSUME a less likely yet far more socially acceptable interpretation of a matter that the bible has a very clear position on.

Let's examine the most compelling verses on the subject:

Exodus 21:20
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

This verse alone defeats your entire argument. If god truly opposed slavery, he would not then refer to a slave as another person's property, unless it is also your position that god is subject to man's laws, perceptions, and social practices.

While we are on the subject of laws, this verse happens to be a legal decree from god.

With that in mind, is it your position that god watered down his own laws because he didn't believe in his own full authority over men? Was god incapable of inforcing his own preferences? So much so, in fact, that he was forced to allow beatings that may take several days to recover from?

There are other old testament verses which not only clearly advocate slavery, but also minimize the value of human life, such as Ex 21:32, Lev 22:10. But none more clearly advocate and even promote and encourage slavery moreso than the following:

Leviticus 25:44-46
As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.

There you have it. Not only does god offer up people as slaves, but he entices the practice by pointing out the benefits and then clarifies that his own people (the Israelites) are to be treated far better under conditions of slavery.

In fact, while god advocates and encourages permanent and inherited slavery with non-hebrews, he calls for a more progressive form of slavery with hebrews, placing time limits and liberty benefits on their terms of slavery.

Nothing quite warms the heart and inspires civil practice so much as a god who advocates racially motivated and permanent slavery.

But wait, maybe he changed his mind after shedding his own blood, or that of his only son. There are certainly a few Christian apologists that offer that explanation. Sadly, they too are wrong and are exercising the same selective interpretation of scripture. Observe god's position post-new covenant:

Colossians 4:1
Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.

Ephesians 6:9
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Well, at least he wants the beatings to stop. That's something.

Anyway, at the end of the day, it's clear that the bible advocates slavery. And the notion that god was a reluctant advocate who was simply trying to regulate it while secretly and progressively trying to rid humanity of the practice is ridiculous.

This paints god not only as cowardice, but also powerless and only slightly influencial over his own creation.

The truth is, god had nothing to do with it. Clearly Hebrew men made the laws to serve their own self interests, which explains the extremely racist and completely insensitive perspective of the old testament position on the matter.

There is no other reasonable explanation.
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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Cinjin - March 11, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Cinjin - March 11, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Tonus - March 15, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by C3P0 - March 15, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Silver - March 15, 2013 at 11:25 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Nine - March 16, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Silver - March 16, 2013 at 10:19 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Silver - March 16, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Silver - March 16, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Cato - March 17, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Tonus - March 17, 2013 at 10:05 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 18, 2013 at 4:20 am
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 19, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Tonus - March 22, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 23, 2013 at 3:56 am
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 23, 2013 at 5:24 am
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 23, 2013 at 6:06 am
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 24, 2013 at 9:10 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 24, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 24, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 25, 2013 at 4:43 am
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by smax - March 25, 2013 at 8:05 am
Re: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by frz - March 18, 2013 at 11:27 am
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Silver - March 19, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on? - by Silver - March 19, 2013 at 10:45 pm

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