There is so much flawed logic in the below that it made me cringe. I almost don't want to respond to it...
Well, here goes:
Well, here goes:
(March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: 1. You don't need to read a book on logic to understand logicThe above is untrue in the way that you argue it. If you mean "some acceptable logic is absent from books on logic" (which is what you expand this to later) that is not the same as what is written. What #1 entails is that there are sources from which acceptable logic can be found other than books on logic.
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Some acceptable logic is not contained in books on logic
Some A is C
(March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Lets look at this one closely:Such as inductive reasoning? These can be demonstrated to be very probable, but not technically 100% proven.
All of what is not contained in books on logic is [informal, non-technical, non-academic, common sense] based on unproven premises from the person doing the reasoning
All C is P
(March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: 2. The argument from authority is invalid...huh? What does that have to do with the argument from authority? The only unproven premise the argument from authority relies upon is that being in an important position automatically makes you right. Inductive reasoning still relies on technically unproven premises, but that does not make it fallacious unless the premises are fallacious/more likely to be false than true.
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No reasoning that is valid is based on unproven premises from the person doing the reasoning
No R is P
(March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: The other parts about atheism not requiring faith and not being a religion cement deeper the contradiction when you consider that proposition #2 all informal logic is based on unproven premises, that the nature of trusting in unproven premises is similar to trusting in religious authorities.There is a difference between "technically unproven, but extremely likely" and "ridiculous, for which there is no evidence" premises. The premises of inductive reasoning still require evidence for their support. Formal logic can only be done when the premises are absolute or self-evident.
(March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: 1. Language requires ethics and ideologyHuh?
(March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: 2. Your statement is language, and contains ethics and ideologyWhat?
(March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: 3. All atheist statements are language, and contain ethics and ideologyAtheist statements?
(March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: 4. Atheist ethics and ideology follows from the existence of atheism and communication between atheistsAnd what about nihilist ideologies? Do I have to point out that there is no consensus on ethics or ideologies among atheists? They communicate, sure, but we aren't a hive mind.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.