Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?

[Creed of Heresy]

Yeah, the Egyptian empire wasn't a Christian empire yet it was one of the first civilizations and first "superpowers" for, what, five centuries or so? That's about the same amount of time that the Church was a dominant force in Europe, and even then it wasn't a unified force that long, it split several ways with different motives and goals and agendas and they all accused one another of being heretics, so they rarely worked in concert, if ever. The Byzantine Empire comes to mind there. In fact, consider the Romans. 500 years as a republic, 500 years or so as an empire. About 1,000 years of cultural domination, right? Funny thing was, they never had a problem with religions; they accepted all religions so there was no religious competition, like there is for *cough* monotheisms. But then after Christianity took hold, they split in half, and fell apart and eventually disappeared entirely as they got caught up in the monotheisms' bloody "holy wars." The Romans held a position of cultural and military power longer than the church did, with FAR less religious conflict and with FAR more liberties and freedoms afforded the average citizens...something the church can NEVER claim to have held to. Those polytheistic bastards, if only they had known of the ONE TRUE GOD™, they could've done nothing different and ended up with the same gains and influences! Probably less, though, given that Christian influence exists only because it used brute-force methods to resist any and all advancements in science that threatened them. Had personal liberty and freedom of ideas and their open spread been allowed by the church, it would've fallen apart before the Holy Wars even began.

As far the as the moo-slum nations go...well, I call them "moo-slums" because that's exactly what they are; slums. What islamic nation is really that powerful or influential solely because of its Islamism? Pakistan's power comes from the fact it has nukes, and by the way, they bought most of the information from the Soviets, decades after the secular world had discovered the secrets of the atom and its power UNDER ITS OWN, NOT-GOD-INSPIRED INITIATIVE. Saudi Arabia is powerful not because it's a muslim nation but because it has oil. Iran? Same thing. Iraq? We know of it because of American interests, and, why were we interested? Oh, look, the same reasons that Iran and Arabia have any influence; OIL. Take away the oil and they'd fucking all fall apart overnight and become about as important to the global community as fucking Indonesia or Chad or any of these nations:



Seriously. Name THREE of these countries outside the ones I just named. By the way, you also have to narrow it down because cyan and teal colored nations are basically optional for islamic law (for personal determination or less according to Wikipedia, as in, not Islam-run nations). No using a globe or map to cheat, either. Know why it's so hard to list those countries? Because they don't fucking do anything. They're useless, just like the savage bullshit system of superstition and bigotry that runs them. Go figure, when your governing system is useless, so are you and the rest of your nation!

By the way, fun fact: Christians in the Roman Empire were considered to be certain forms of atheists by the Roman Empire's government and non-monotheistic citizenry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire#Religion

In the wake of the Republic's collapse, state religion had adapted to support the new regime of the emperors. As the first Roman emperor, Augustus justified the novelty of one-man rule with a vast program of religious revivalism and reform. Public vows formerly made for the security of the republic now were directed at the wellbeing of the emperor. So-called "emperor worship" expanded on a grand scale the traditional Roman veneration of the ancestral dead and of the Genius, the divine tutelary of every individual. Upon death, an emperor could be made a state divinity (divus) by vote of the Senate. Imperial cult, influenced by Hellenistic ruler cult, became one of the major ways Rome advertised its presence in the provinces and cultivated shared cultural identity and loyalty throughout the Empire. Cultural precedent in the Eastern provinces facilitated a rapid dissemination of Imperial cult, extending as far as the Augustan military settlement at Najran, in present-day Saudi Arabia. Rejection of the state religion became tantamount to treason against the emperor. This was the context for Rome's conflict with Christianity, which Romans variously regarded as a form of atheism and novel superstitio.

Just think about that for a second, Strodel. The guys who started your religion used to be considered atheists by the superpower of the time...

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

And really, what Christian nations are we discussing, Toaster Strudel? America? Hate to say it, but by the definition of its Constitution [that which defines the US as a nation, by the way, just as a constitution defines almost every other sovereign nation in existence that isn't under some bullshit religious law], the US is a secular nation, in that it does not have a state-sponsored religion. It may have a majority of Christians who constitute it but then, if you define America as a "Christian Nation," then you're stuck with the undeniably daunting task of saying WHAT KIND of Christian nation. Is it a Protestant Christian nation? By majority, sure, but which kind? Calvinism? Methodism? Baptism? Presbyterianism, Lutheran, Christian "Scientism," Reformism, Congregationalism? Which of these is the Christian America? And then, if you choose only one, you must deny the others their control, and then you are stuck with stating that only the largest Protestant denomination is the dominant force, and when you do, you notice hat it's actually NOT representing the majority at all, it's more like 20% or something of the population with the other 80% divided among others.

This is not the only reason why America is not a "Christian nation" but fuck me if it isn't one of the biggest ones; because you guys can't get your shit straight with one another. And so, America is a secular nation where all religions are accepted yet none represent the American nation. Even if atheism was the majority, we atheists couldn't claim America to be an atheistic nation because we, too, are divided so much (this seems to be a recurring theme with human beings, and even religion, supposedly the "most powerful unifying force," as I've heard it called many times before, can't seem to over-ride it. So much for divine direction.) that we'd never be able to specify much else other than the vague "non-belief" label...and EVEN THEN, were we all united in one single idea as atheists, the fact would remain that we would not be representing the religious minorities, and thus, the topic of religion (to reiterate one last time) does NOT define the United States of America! *stands proudly with an American flag flapping in the background and a bald eagle flying overhead*

The only "christian nation" I can think of in existence, as in a nation run by the bible, is Vatican City and...yeah. WHAT ENORMOUS POWER AND INFLUENCE THOSE GUYS WIELD. Lol.

Also if someone would just quote all of this for me so Strodel can see it because I know the poor butthurt little guy has me on ignore. I want to see what he has to say about this.