(April 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm)jstrodel Wrote: How is it circular logic? God explains the problem of everything requiring a cause but avoiding a regression of causes. Where is it circular?Here:
(April 1, 2013 at 8:43 pm)jstrodel Wrote: 2. God is self sufficient, and requires no more cause to exist than God's own existenceIn order for god to have a cause for his existence, he has to...already exist. What if he doesn't exist? Then there is no cause for his existence, by your above logic. You must presuppose him and use his own existence to prove that he exits.
(April 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm)jstrodel Wrote: The argument is not intended to demonstrate the existence of the Christian God, it is meant to show people with less prejudices and less of an attitude that in fact the concept of God fits in with a metaphysical order and solves metaphysical problems.But...he doesn't. He contradicted the outline you gave, and so you presented special pleading to say that the only requirement for his existence would be his existence. Okay...he would have to exist before that argument could claim he existed, but you bypass that step by presupposing him.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.