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If god were real...
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RE: If god were real...
(March 30, 2013 at 8:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: God is omniscient and omnipotent, this is the very reason satan's powers are limited. Satan is no threat to God himself, however if satan was not restrained he would have long ago destroyed humanity.

GDQD Wrote:So, what's the reason why Satan has powers at all?

Lucifer was created with great powers, if you had ever read the Bible you would know this. Lucifer was originally an archangel, actually the highest of all angels.

GC Wrote:When God created the universe there was no evil, evil was never created. Evil came into existence with Lucifer's disobedience to God.

GDQD Wrote:God created Lucifer knowing in advance precisely what he would do and why he would do it. Therefore, God created evil. It was not an accident.

God did create Lucifer and He knew what Lucifer would decide to do, that still doesn't mean God desired evil to become a part of creation.
Answer this please, if you have a child and that child becomes a murderer does that make you a murderer? The way I see your reasoning you are, and should have to serve the same punishment your child does.

GC Wrote:Love and truth were never created, they are part of who God is, they have always existed. Anything that's against who God is, is evil ie. sin, so evil came through Lucifer with his disobedience to God, satan has spread this evil ever since.

GDQD Wrote:It must be hard rationalizing all this nonsense.

If it were nonsense I would have nothing to do with it, as far as rationalizing, what the Holy Spirit reveals makes it easier to understand.

GDQD Wrote:God is omniscient, too. He knew that creating Lucifer would result in evil. It is, therefore, his fault and no one else's. Lucifer, after all, is just a creation. It cannot act in any way God did not want or intend for him to act.

See the above answer with the child. Lucifer had free will to choose his future, he was so blinded by self he could not rationalize he wouldn't be able to defeat and over throw his Creator.

Gc Wrote:God does not nor ever did want evil to be, He does allow it to exist to prove to creation that love, truth, obedience and ect. are greater than evil.

GDQD Wrote:God allows evil to exist. Thanks for settling that matter. Why he does it is irrelevant. He does it and it is not necessary, therefore, he must desire it. If he wanted to prove that love and truth conquers evil, he could just eliminate evil. That would be damned convincing.

Did you actually read your above statement, irrelevant, God had every reason to or He would not have allowed it. We do not know all the reason He did, but here's one big reason, free will. If allowing evil was irrelevant, then how could we know the difference between love and evil, He will be putting and end to it when evil runs it's coarse through humanity and God says enough. really did you read your statement?

GC Wrote:So it's not wanted by God, but it will be judged by Him, and a complete end will be put to evil.

GDQD Wrote:Someday, right? For now, it's necessary that people rape and kill each other. The only reason he doesn't put a complete end to it, right now, is because he enjoys it. There is no point to evil. It serves no purpose (indeed, it goes against God's purpose).

In His time. It's not necessary for people to kill and rape, people choose to do it through free will, the fault belongs to the one's who choose to do evil things. You say there is no God, then how do you explain the evil men do without Him, you say there's no purpose for it.

GDQD Wrote:Do you ever wonder why some of us think Christians are crazy or brain-dead? How do you even believe the shit you say? How does that register as logical?

I wonder how it is you guys are so blind. What you think of me doesn't matter.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 28, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Neo-Scholastic - March 28, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Silver - March 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 2:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 28, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: If god were real... - by Sagasa - March 29, 2013 at 3:06 am
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: If god were real... - by Cato - March 29, 2013 at 3:16 am
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 29, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: If god were real... - by downbeatplumb - March 29, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 28, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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RE: If god were real... - by Simon Moon - March 28, 2013 at 3:04 pm
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RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 28, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 29, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Silver - March 28, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by frankiej - March 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 28, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 28, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Faith No More - March 29, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 29, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 29, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 30, 2013 at 8:48 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 1, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 3:26 am
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Silver - April 1, 2013 at 9:18 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 3:43 am
RE: If god were real... - by Silver - April 2, 2013 at 4:42 am
RE: If god were real... - by Tonus - April 2, 2013 at 6:38 am
RE: If god were real... - by Simon Moon - April 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: If god were real... - by Simon Moon - April 2, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tonus - March 30, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 30, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Fruity - March 30, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:17 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 30, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 30, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 31, 2013 at 12:43 am
RE: If god were real... - by Silver - March 31, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 1, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 31, 2013 at 10:05 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Fruity - April 2, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 3:51 am
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - April 2, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Silver - April 2, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tonus - April 3, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:55 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - April 3, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: If god were real... - by archangle - April 3, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 11:08 am

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