After some days, I finally went through the video.
What a sham of a debate.
That Hamza guy mixes his infinites and when Krauss tries to explain what he's done, it goes terribly wrong... -.-'
Everything else of this Hamza's argument comes from that, so screw it... wrong premisses, no matter how good the reasoning is, lead to wrong results.
Krauss did try to show that, but got mixed up in the small talk and, with all the emotional baggage that came before the debate, I can't blame him...
The Universe is finite, it has finite energy.
Space-time, on other hand... Here we have to speculate. We can only observe space-time in the Universe.... but we can speculate, extrapolate, that space-time exists beyond the Universe. At first, Krauss wanted to go with the most common view that space-time originated with the BigBang, but he then tried to make an example of things where space-time goes well beyond the Universe, so I'm not making things up, here.
The mathematics of all the physical theories yield either zeros or infinities at the bigbang for space and time, that's one of the reasons why the bigbang is called a singularity. We cannot know anything beyond the bigbang. We can speculate.
Theists speculate a god.
Atheists speculate a myriad of other things.
One of those things is the infinite space-time. Infinite emptiness, stock full of quantum fluctuations that yield no particles, and no energy.... except, sometimes... just sometimes (and, since space-time is infinite, these sometimes may be infinite times)... the fluctuations are so large that they yield energy, mass, and a big bang.... with the corresponding negative energy part, so that overall you get zero total energy. At that location of space-time, this bigbang morphs space-time itself, shrinks a lot of it to a zero dimensional space and immediately expands... The mechanism behind it, is unknown... as I said, this is speculation.
This speculation has the advantage of not requiring a super entity which will beg the question of "how did that entity come into being?", much like we could ask "how did these quantum fluctuations come into being?"... Always there.... what appears more likely? A super complex god that has always been there? Or some random fluctuations that are everywhere and everywhen?
What a sham of a debate.
That Hamza guy mixes his infinites and when Krauss tries to explain what he's done, it goes terribly wrong... -.-'
Everything else of this Hamza's argument comes from that, so screw it... wrong premisses, no matter how good the reasoning is, lead to wrong results.
Krauss did try to show that, but got mixed up in the small talk and, with all the emotional baggage that came before the debate, I can't blame him...
The Universe is finite, it has finite energy.
Space-time, on other hand... Here we have to speculate. We can only observe space-time in the Universe.... but we can speculate, extrapolate, that space-time exists beyond the Universe. At first, Krauss wanted to go with the most common view that space-time originated with the BigBang, but he then tried to make an example of things where space-time goes well beyond the Universe, so I'm not making things up, here.
The mathematics of all the physical theories yield either zeros or infinities at the bigbang for space and time, that's one of the reasons why the bigbang is called a singularity. We cannot know anything beyond the bigbang. We can speculate.
Theists speculate a god.
Atheists speculate a myriad of other things.
One of those things is the infinite space-time. Infinite emptiness, stock full of quantum fluctuations that yield no particles, and no energy.... except, sometimes... just sometimes (and, since space-time is infinite, these sometimes may be infinite times)... the fluctuations are so large that they yield energy, mass, and a big bang.... with the corresponding negative energy part, so that overall you get zero total energy. At that location of space-time, this bigbang morphs space-time itself, shrinks a lot of it to a zero dimensional space and immediately expands... The mechanism behind it, is unknown... as I said, this is speculation.
This speculation has the advantage of not requiring a super entity which will beg the question of "how did that entity come into being?", much like we could ask "how did these quantum fluctuations come into being?"... Always there.... what appears more likely? A super complex god that has always been there? Or some random fluctuations that are everywhere and everywhen?
