Science and religion

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Hello.

I'm in the process of finding out what I believe. I still go to a Christian church even though I don't believe in the bible anymore. So today the pastor was saying how science and the bible go hand in hand, but science hasn't yet caught up with the bible. When I heard him say this I could hardly wait to get home and find out what you guys had to say.

I don't know anything about science, so I would love to get suggestions on videos, articles, blogs, or books about how religion and science go together OR how they DON'T go together. I just want to do my research. Do science and other religions (besides Christianity) match up? Science and the Quran?

Please share. I am but a sponge ready to soak up your knowledge.

There is not much at all on what is generally called the philosophy of science and calling it that annoys me to no end. (physicist and EE)

Science has an absolute requirement for physical evidence that religion cannot produce. Testimony is not physical evidence. Real testimony as in court is required to be about physical evidence. Physical evidence is what can be given an exhibit number.

Therefore the two are incompatible and despite wishful thinkers cannot be reconciled in fact.

* Also magic is magic even if you call it a miracle.
* As all holy books are essentially anonymous you have no idea of the good character, if any, of the author.
* The first written copy of the Koran was released a century after Mohamed died. Thus we cannot tell an original transcript as claimed from a creation a century in the making.

See Made in Alexandria The Origin of the Yahweh Cult by Matt Giwer, © 2011, 2012 for a list of many more things we do not know about holy book claims. Although directed towards the Old Testament it applies to the NT and the Koran.

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Science does not disprove Christianity.

In fact proof of a negative, aka disproof, is impossible therefore you are making a correct but deliberately misleading statement.

There is no scientific evidence anywhere that even remotely comes close to challenging any of the central tenets of Christian doctrine. Some science challenges a literal interpretation of Genesis.

Are you claiming science supports burning bushes, Red Sea parting, talking asses, angels, prophecy and dozens of other magic tricks which you would call miracles?

Science began as a mostly Christian enterprise, now it is partially secular.

Science as in astronomy goes back to Babylon. Its expansion to addressing just about everything was done by Greeks of the pagan persuasion. Christians destroyed the schools in which science was taught along with the teachers. Until scientists were able to safely break away from Christian constraints (1823 England blasphemy conviction in England which Darwin feared for himself decades later) there was religious objection to just about everything. And that objection was backed by the reality of civil punishment. Look into the biographies of the early scientists and notice they moved around a lot. An honest bio will give the reason as driven out of town by threat of punishment and in a few cases of actual physical eviction.

I thought Christians were not supposed to lie?

Many, many scientists believe in God. Many of the greatest scientists in history have believed in God.

If you wish to invoke a fallacious appeal to authority you do not get to pick and choose which scientists believe what. You buy the whole hog or nothing. And when you "cleverly" insert a generic god reference for Christianity you are deliberately attempting to mislead. When you use upper case G for God you are deliberately attempting to mislead by implying the belief is in the currently popular version of the Christian god. If you go down a Who's Who in science these days this appeal to authority means it is the Old Testament god not the New Testament god. It is the one of wrath and punishment and hundreds of idiot laws not the one fronted by Christians.

All of the major universities started as Christian universities and still are Christian to a large degree. 55% of scientists believe in God.

The earliest known were the gymnasia founded by the pagan Greeks which were particular targets for Christian destruction. The next group of "universities" were by Islam. For Christians they grew out of divinity schools by accident.

http://biologos.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...in_science

Wikipedia is a high school level website. We are not high school students.