RE: [split] Critical Thinking Skills
April 3, 2013 at 11:06 am
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2013 at 11:11 am by Mystic.)
Mister Agenda, in the case of chain of effects though, we surely know why we call in an effect. If every part of the chain is an effect, and every effect requires a cause, then every effect of the chain requires a cause, that implies the whole thing requires a cause. Yes it's true, by definition, it also doesn't require a cause, but I'm showing it contradicts itself. It asserts two contradictory properties.
In fact, I would say set theory proves this more then anything else.
We know there is infinitely more real numbers then integers. This is my mapping two infinities, and one being greater.
In the same way, every effect can be mapped to a cause, then the whole thing require the of same amount of cause, but that's not possible if one is an effect, one has to be a non-effect.
At least from the empirical proof, that maybe the case. It would not prove it ontologically though. For example, people can assume there can be causes people are not aware of or at the very least, say it is constantly caused by supernatural.
I don't think you can ontologically prove "from nothing, nothing follows" is wrong. You can state however, empirically science wise, we don't know that to be true.
In fact, I would say set theory proves this more then anything else.
We know there is infinitely more real numbers then integers. This is my mapping two infinities, and one being greater.
In the same way, every effect can be mapped to a cause, then the whole thing require the of same amount of cause, but that's not possible if one is an effect, one has to be a non-effect.
(April 3, 2013 at 11:02 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(April 3, 2013 at 10:59 am)MysticKnight Wrote: "Everything requires a cause" would prove a supernatural cause to the universe.
I think QM effectively proves that not everything requires a cause.
At least from the empirical proof, that maybe the case. It would not prove it ontologically though. For example, people can assume there can be causes people are not aware of or at the very least, say it is constantly caused by supernatural.
I don't think you can ontologically prove "from nothing, nothing follows" is wrong. You can state however, empirically science wise, we don't know that to be true.