(April 3, 2013 at 3:47 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He's a member of the republican party sure, just like his father was - but he describes himself as a libertarian. Amusingly, if you do a little google crawl for current reps that self identify as libertarians and you're actually going to end up staring at a list of republicans.Describing yourself as a Libertarian does not make you a Libertarian. Sorry, but it just doesn't. Actions are far more important than words. People can call themselves whatever they like; it is what they do that ultimately defines them. This is especially true when there is an actual legitimate Libertarian party out there in America which actually holds to Libertarian values in their manifesto, and has candidates (and some elected officials) who vote how actual Libertarians should.
Quote:(I understand your position, but which libertarian - between, say, you and rand paul- actually means anything? Who's defining libertarianism here? Sorry, it's gonna be Rand.Are you insane? Libertarianism is a clearly defined political theory. Rand Paul doesn't get to define it.
Quote:If we look back at a "libertarian movement" in our country and see a long list of rand pauls........well...I'm sorry your ideology got hijacked and fucked with -I truly am- but that's what libertarianism is here. Glenn fucking Beck tried to pull the libertarian card. Mull that over.)You are missing the point entirely. You aren't looking at a libertarian movement. I've made that clear. Look at the actual Libertarian Party if you want to look at a libertarian movement. Come on, you're just moving the goalposts to support your own argument. If George Bush started going around calling himself a Democrat, and I pointed at him and said "look what the Democrats have become", you'd rightly shoot me down for being foolish.
(April 3, 2013 at 3:49 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Interestingly enough, there are some people who identify as Christian and do not in any way act like one. Eventually we reach "no true scotsman".There is no way to "act" like a Christian. All you have to be to be a Christian is believe that Jesus was the son of God. That's it. That is the most simple definition of a Christian you can get. You can only use the "no true scotsman" in situations where someone is asserting a characteristic that has nothing to do with the subject's particular religious/political/whatever beliefs.
Likewise, there are simple definitions of what Libertarians are too. It is fully justified to say "No true Libertarian believes in government interference in the market", because guess what? Government interference in the market is something that Libertarians reject. It's not a no true scotsman fallacy to say that.