My reasoning in rejecting eternal torture/hell...

[Brian37]

It's also easy to state that since an organization with humans is flawed therefore it should be abolished and then not apply that to governments or anything else... People are flawed. Christians will do bad things. It doesn't mean Christianity is a bad thing.

Unless you understand the difference between the human right to claim something, vs the ability to demonstrate a claim, you will NOT understand how wrong you are.

Christians are certainly capable of morality, but it is because they are humans and humans are capable of morality. If you can accept that people outside Christianity can be moral, then you should be able to see that morality is evolutionary based and NOT the invention of a label.

This lack of understanding is WHY ANY religion AS A CONCEPT is dangerous. Not because all in that label, any label, are or will be dangerous, but because religion DOES set up "in group" vs "out group" and bases the "in group" mentality as being the special inventor of all human morality.

Religious division is PRECISELY because of the false notion that A LABEL and not nature itself, invented morality. THAT is what makes religion dangerous. Failing to recognize this allows you, who may not be violent yourself, to make excuses for the others within Christianity who are and would be violent if given the chance. Now please don't falsely accuse me of picking on your religion, or hating religious people.

I am simply saying that bad use of logic based on "I am special because of my label" sets up the bloody tribalism our species suffers from, even if you yourself don't want it. Religion is NOT universal it is tribal and local. It is merely a form of politics to justify a tribal alpha male status above the "out group".

"They shouldn't do that" is also not my point. "They aren't real(whatever)" is also not my point. Religion sets up in group vs out group the same as a political party. When you understand this you will see religion as the weapon it should be treated like.

If as believers of all labels around the world claim "religion works", if it worked so well then why is there still so much global division? The part they always miss is "works for who?" And it "working" always comes at the expense of the "out group".

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The reason a mother in Iran breast feeds is the same reason a mother in Israel does for the same reason a Christian does. The same reason Hindu or atheist may react to someone robbing their house or business. Because our sense of morals is evolutionary, not magical. Religion is dangerous because it takes nature and needlessly conflates it to comic book levels to the point division and violence occur, regardless of how much people in those clubs want it to be peaceful it cannot be because it is not built for inclusion, but division.