(April 6, 2013 at 5:22 am)missluckie26 Wrote:Quote:I haven't viewed any specific data that leads me to believe the universe is here by design. I have nothing more than the Bible and my faith. What is there that proves that there wasn't a creator unequivocally?
Hey, if that's how you wanna live your life: fine. Just don't tell me or anyone else how to live based on your faith beliefs.
Me? I'd rather make a conclusion based on material fact.
1. Biologists have examined each of the molecular systems claimed to be the products of design and have shown how they could have arisen through natural processes.
2. Evolutionary biologists also have demonstrated how complex biochemical mechanisms could have evolved from simpler precursor systems.
3. Existing systems also can acquire new functions.
Irregardless of whether you believe evolution happened or not: there's no proof for design at all. Go look for it, if you don't believe me.
Which leaves us with, in the end if you believe God set off the big bang and thus evolutionary creation through faith: you're looking at bold-faced proof otherwise and disregarding it on purpose. Because no where in creation does it say, "made by god", or "designed by god". I mean, If there was a shred of proof that these systems were intelligently designed I'd see your point. But there isn't. So you're living in delusion.
That's fine. Just don't tell me I'm going to hell, or tell my friend he's going to hell. Or legislate against people's personal liberties because of what your delusional god(s) dictate.
Quote:Every single day. Unfailingly.
I feel sorry then that I questioned you. My bad. You read every day the content of that Bible and you still believe in god?
I know what you're thinking, I'm just another one of those evil doers not unlike those who mocked Noah. I'm just the devil testing you like in the desert with Jesus.
Here's the thing, I'm not. I'm seriously trying to deprogram your mind from a cult based reality.
Quote:Which assertions?
Love. God doesn't love us.
Justice. God is not just.
Infallibility. God is definitely fallible based on his own purported works.
Omnipotence God is not omnipotent
And the zillions of contradictions that lie within the Bible, with regards to these attributes.
Those are your assertions not assertions from God. Let me tell you what I've got.. I've got an entire family history of horrible sin. My family history is full of drugs, violence, laziness, and many more things that I cannot put on this forum for self embarrassment and pain. I've got parents who loved whiskey more than me. I actually was on my own at fifteen, stealing just to eat. No bullshit here. And I've got a God and Savior who freed me from suicidal thoughts, irrational anger, and addictions to things I won't say. He freed me from the abuse of my past and everything that was holding me down. I am no longer defined by what once was, and I am a new creation. When you run into issues like these, the ones that make you.think life isn't such a good idea, where do you turn? I firmly believe every word of the Bible and even if I were the only one left in the world, going to my death for my beliefs, then they would still never change. You can argue all the science you want, but when it comes down to it, as long as I believe in God, then no human mind can compare to His. How are we to comprehend his will and plans? I AK not skilled enough to understand these, but each day I learn a little more. And each day my faith becomes more unbreakable.
[/i][/size]God demonstrates His own love for us in this: that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
