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What is your alternative to abortion?
RE: What is your alternative to abortion?
(April 6, 2013 at 7:34 am)Maelstrom Wrote:
(April 6, 2013 at 7:28 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: Oh okay.. it's not self aware until its two? So is it okay to kill an infant after it's born now?

I am tempted to provide an affirmative response, but I do not want to get you more riled up than you already are. Seriously, though, you do need to calm down.

As far as abortion is concerned, I do not advocate it past the recommended twenty four weeks unless the mother's life is in peril or there is something severely wrong with the fetus where it would be more humane to end its life to cut short its suffering in this world.

Yes, I do support abortion. No, I do not view it as murder. Yes, a fetus is both a human and a bundle of cells. No, a fetus does not have personhood. Yes, the fetus is a parasite.

Okay. But why is it okay to kill something human, that is nearly fully developed. At 24 months it is formed like us, it thinks and moves. How is that okay? This is going nowhere.

(April 6, 2013 at 7:40 am)Mononoke Wrote:
(April 6, 2013 at 7:26 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: Fetus: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth

At 2 months, 8 weeks, of pregnancy, the baby is moving along swiftly in its development. It has it's own blood type. It's heart has by then divided into its left and right chambers and beats at approximately 150 bpm. The baby is at this point beginning to practice moving. So a fetus is defined above as a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth. That means that most of it's development occurs after the period in which it classifies as a fetus.

Fetus = Unborn Baby.

Quote:Why waste time posting about stuff I never disputed and ignoring the criticism I attempted to convey?

Did you not ask me to differentiate between a fetus and a baby? I did the best I could. Which probably wasn't very good, since they are the same thing.

Quote:Emotional arguments aside, this is fact and nothing but fact. Abortions are allowed up to 14 weeks and in some places up to 24 weeks! That is well into the development of the child!

So you see that a fetus is a human being, not something completely unaware of its own existence. The face begins to develop in the first month! Well before the time limit on abortion expires.

"Human" and "completely unaware of its own existance" are not mutually exclusive, not that I think that matters here. I do not think how developed or undeveloped a foetus is should affect the time limit on abortion as long as aborting a foetus of that age is relatively safe for the pregnant person. I view the point as that the mother has the right to her own body, and if she does not want to carry the foetus then it should be removed. Before the point of viability, this results in the death of the foetus; after it, it may be more like a premature birth, although given the resources needed to attempt to sustain babies born at 25 weeks I do not think abortion at that point is generally a good thing.

Well I guess the issue here is then this: if it's a fetus, then its okay to abort it, but if it is a baby, it is not okay. My argument is that they are one in the same. And I feel that there are better alternatives to abortion. Maybe contraception, or abstinence. I don't have all the answers. I don't know what should be done if the woman is raped, or the child is a product of incest. But regardless of the arguments brought against me, I cannot say that abortion is okay.
Clap[/i][/size]God demonstrates His own love for us in this: that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
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RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 2, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 2, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 2, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 5:01 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 2, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 2, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 2, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 2, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Violet - April 3, 2013 at 3:12 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Violet - April 3, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 2:20 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 2:54 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 3, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 5:42 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 3, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by John V - April 3, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Violet - April 3, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 3, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by John V - April 4, 2013 at 7:25 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by frankiej - April 4, 2013 at 7:45 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Violet - April 4, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Cato - April 4, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Aractus - April 4, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 4, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 4, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 4, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 4, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 4, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Aractus - April 5, 2013 at 5:40 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 5, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by John V - April 5, 2013 at 7:47 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by John V - April 5, 2013 at 7:53 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 3:51 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 4:00 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 4:48 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 4:51 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 5:30 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mononoke - April 6, 2013 at 6:51 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 7:26 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mononoke - April 6, 2013 at 7:40 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mononoke - April 6, 2013 at 5:07 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 5, 2013 at 7:59 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by John V - April 5, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tonus - April 5, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by John V - April 5, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Minimalist - April 5, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 5, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Cato - April 5, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 6, 2013 at 6:49 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 7:28 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 7:45 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 7:53 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 8:01 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tonus - April 6, 2013 at 10:38 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mononoke - April 6, 2013 at 8:42 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 8:51 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by catfish - April 6, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 8:11 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 8:22 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 8:39 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 11:25 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Kayenneh - April 6, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Violet - April 10, 2013 at 5:30 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by pocaracas - April 6, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 4:35 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:00 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 6, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 6, 2013 at 11:20 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 7, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Aractus - April 7, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 7, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 8, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Polaris - April 8, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2013 at 7:17 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by festive1 - April 9, 2013 at 7:21 am
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Tex - April 26, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by Darkstar - April 26, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Re: RE: What is your alternative to abortion? - by frz - April 27, 2013 at 9:50 am

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