woman rights in Islam

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Well, nature cannot make a mechanical fly either :p

Yes , I agree with you nature is not creator and never be a creator , because the creator is Allah , he created for you the materials to invent your mechanical fly . therefore we did not create the fly , we used the materials which have been created in this earth by Allah , we used and grouped and shaped these materials to look like the real Fly . but it is not a fly or near to be a fly .
For that : the creator is the one who create from nothing a creatures .
did the mechanical fly pass through the stages of creation " egg , maggot ,… then a complete fly " ? observe : each stage is a living creature
are the materials of mechanical fly not existent on earth or are they already have been created on earth ?

And the strange thing you said " nature " .
which is unreasonable thing created a creatures have targets in life . but when I ask you :
in our life is all our inventions by a wise people ? knew why they did invent these things before they invented them ? even if this invention was a needle . they invented it for a target and a reason .
what I said " a needle " solid not a living creature . but it was invented by a person knew the targets of this tool before invention it .
and when the case is the uncountable creations of god , you said : nature .. [ very strange ]

let me give you an example for this :
humanity thanked Mr.Edison for his wonderful invention " the Lamp " . which has been invented after many years of studying and experiments , also after many failing tests . and we made of this person one of the greatest scientists , we honored him . we consider Edison a very wise person . also we know that this lamp in one day will not lighting ,also will break

at the same time humanity is thankless for the great creator of this " Sun " which light the earth for millions of years , never stop , and shine on earth in Specific times .
but the disaster : most people consider the creator of this sun is nature [ very strange ] .

(([71]Say: Have ye thought, if Allah made night everlasting for you till the Day of Resurrection, who is a god beside Allah who could bring you light? Will ye not then hear?[72] Say: Have ye thought, if Allah made day everlasting for you till the Day of Resurrection, who is a god beside Allah who could bring you night wherein ye rest? Will ye not then see? )) Surah 28

Please explain : why you consider human's inventions have been invented by a wise people ? at the same time you consider all these creations in the universe come from unwise " nature " .

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My friend this is an atheist forum.That means most of us do not believe in god(s).That also means most of also reject revealed truths. We do not accept the Qur'an as an authority on anything.

If you want to be taken seriously you will need to express your own thoughts without relying on the Qur'an.
The Qur'an actually commands Muslims to seek the truth.This was the driving force of the Golden Age of Islam, C7th-9thCE.

Please show you have the capacity for independent thought or stop insulting our intelligence and go away.

Wa salaam

Wa salaam
my friend : Thank you so much , these Polite words . means that I am dealing with a respectful person as many here .

please : consider my comments a different culture meets your culture and discuss with it by a polite way . and these discussions will never reach to be " a challenge or a debate " . friends are meeting and talking .

and about the Quran is not a problem , because what you did read is only a translation of the holy Quran these are not the real Arabic words .
and I think it is unacceptable for me to be a believer of Allah and the holy Quran , then I said I will not use the holy Quran . do you consider this is a faith ?

Wa Alykom Al-Salam [ peace upon you ]

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I think he is trying to convey that we cannot make an organic fly... but I'm also not sure

yes Saerules .