woman rights in Islam

[Autumnlicious]

Yes , I agree with you nature is not creator and never be a creator , because the creator is Allah , he created for you the materials to invent your mechanical fly . therefore we did not create the fly , we used the materials which have been created in this earth by Allah , we used and grouped and shaped these materials to look like the real Fly . but it is not a fly or near to be a fly .
For that : the creator is the one who create from nothing a creatures .
did the mechanical fly pass through the stages of creation " egg , maggot ,… then a complete fly " ? observe : each stage is a living creature
are the materials of mechanical fly not existent on earth or are they already have been created on earth ?

So if everything is made by Allah and therefore, by extension, all items made are also by Allah. Therefore humans or anything else cannot create anything as it is pre-made or suddenly 'made' by Allah.

I'm sorry, but this sure as hell feels like a circular argument.

And the strange thing you said " nature " .
which is unreasonable thing created a creatures have targets in life . but when I ask you :
in our life is all our inventions by a wise people ? knew why they did invent these things before they invented them ? even if this invention was a needle . they invented it for a target and a reason .
what I said " a needle " solid not a living creature . but it was invented by a person knew the targets of this tool before invention it .
and when the case is the uncountable creations of god , you said : nature .. [ very strange ]

I have no fucking clue what you said here. It appears that you ramble on about how all inventions have a reason or plan before they are created, illogically base a premise that all life is created by Allah and then express confusion at the use of the term 'nature'. Please either use simpler sentences and actually try to make a logical argument that can at least be followed.

let me give you an example for this :
humanity thanked Mr.Edison for his wonderful invention " the Lamp " . which has been invented after many years of studying and experiments , also after many failing tests . and we made of this person one of the greatest scientists , we honored him . we consider Edison a very wise person . also we know that this lamp in one day will not lighting ,also will break

at the same time humanity is thankless for the great creator of this " Sun " which light the earth for millions of years , never stop , and shine on earth in Specific times .
but the disaster : most people consider the creator of this sun is nature [ very strange ] .

There is no 'creator' for the damn sun. Tell me, have you even been introduced to a concept called 'Gravity'? Mayhap you haven't, but let me tell you that a star forms when dense pockets of gas clump together and collapse in on itself, igniting. The reason it clumps together is because, hold on to your turbans for another BIIIIG word, "Entropy". Yes, the universe, our sun and everyone around you are merely products and mechanisms for increasing entropy. Nothing reverses entropy in the grand scale. Nothing.

And your logic for a creator is the assumption that because objects break or die out, and thinking entities like man make objects in general, therefore all objects much have a thinking entity as a creator. I'm sorry, but your logic fails. There is nothing defined in across all possible objects that demands there must be a creator. There may be causes, like the reason that funny smell in your shoe was caused by a foot fungus. But to say something like the foot fungus 'created' in the same context as a human or deity may create is plainly absurd.

(([71]Say: Have ye thought, if Allah made night everlasting for you till the Day of Resurrection, who is a god beside Allah who could bring you light? Will ye not then hear?[72] Say: Have ye thought, if Allah made day everlasting for you till the Day of Resurrection, who is a god beside Allah who could bring you night wherein ye rest? Will ye not then see? )) Surah 28

Error. Mindless Quran quote does not make sense except for self-referential argument.

Please explain : why you consider human's inventions have been invented by a wise people ? at the same time you consider all these creations in the universe come from unwise " nature " .

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There is nothing the definition or requirements for 'invention' that connotes that a 'wise' person designed it. And nature does not have the qualities of wisdom - you cannot ascribe to nature what it does not have.

Wa salaam
my friend : Thank you so much , these Polite words . means that I am dealing with a respectful person as many here .

please : consider my comments a different culture meets your culture and discuss with it by a polite way . and these discussions will never reach to be " a challenge or a debate " . friends are meeting and talking .

and about the Quran is not a problem , because what you did read is only a translation of the holy Quran these are not the real Arabic words .
and I think it is unacceptable for me to be a believer of Allah and the holy Quran , then I said I will not use the holy Quran . do you consider this is a faith ?

You hide your poor logic, argumentation behind the veil of 'culture'. You also disguise your preaching as something akin to what friends do. Then you finally disclaim any dissatisfaction with your Quran quotes with the excuse that it "is only a translation of the holy Quran" with none of the "real Arabic words". As if changing languages would enhance your argumentation - the only thing it could do is make your Quran quotes more pretty to annunciate.

Wa Alykom Al-Salam [ peace upon you ]

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I think he is trying to convey that we cannot make an organic fly... but I'm also not sure

yes Saerules .

Look into Craig Venter's work on creating artificial biological organisms.