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Plantiga's ontological argument.
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RE: Plantiga's ontological argument.
The reason that you've gone off the rails (in the same way that any argument like this goes off the rails) is that your idea of an "ultimate or necessary" whatever is an illogical premise. The reason that ontological arguments are generally "meh" at what they hope to achieve (take platingas as a case in point) is that they only show that if one starts with an illogical premise and forms a valid argument it is rational to accept the conclusion. That's the entirety of what an ontological argument for a god can do. Clearly, I'm not as impressed by this as you.

You won't actually be able to explain why the ultimate ultimate, the necessary of necessaries can't be a monkey or an elephant, or the color red (or non-existent). It's tied to what you already feel to be ultimate or necessary. Hanuman and Ganesh, and the Ming line that connects you to the cosmic egg all disapprove.
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Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Angrboda - April 7, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Angrboda - April 7, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 8, 2013 at 9:22 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2013 at 9:08 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 9:18 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 22, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Mister Agenda - April 9, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 11:07 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by JesusHChrist - April 9, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by downbeatplumb - April 9, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Lord Privy Seal - April 15, 2013 at 1:57 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 17, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Lord Privy Seal - April 25, 2013 at 2:08 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Shell B - April 15, 2013 at 2:18 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Shell B - April 15, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Shell B - April 21, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 22, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by MysticKnight - April 24, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Plantiga's ontological argument. - by Shell B - April 24, 2013 at 1:44 am

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