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Theists: what does your god want for you?
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you?
(April 9, 2013 at 7:02 pm)Ryantology Wrote: 1. God knows everything and can do anything and is in total control of the entire universe and everything in it.
2. Everything God does, he does with complete understanding of the consequences.
3. Everything which happens is a result of God's desires and efforts.
4. Every consequence, of everything (e.g. suffering, pain, rape, torture), is specifically what God expressly desires to happen.
From the perspective of process theology, none of your premises are valid.

Premise 1) God is not in total control of everything. God gives sentient beings have freewill, which by definition excludes the God's influence.

Premise 2) The future does not yet exist. You cannot have full knoweledge about something that does not exist if that change of state includes indeterminate freewill choices.

Premise 3) Everything that happens is the combined effort of God's choices and all those made by sentient beings.

Therefore, Conclusion 4 is predicated on no true statements.

To be fair, your argument successfully refutes both Calvinism and Universalism.
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RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by Rayaan - March 14, 2013 at 2:41 am
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by fr0d0 - March 15, 2013 at 8:25 am
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by fr0d0 - March 15, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2013 at 4:20 am
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by Tonus - March 15, 2013 at 10:15 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by fr0d0 - March 15, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by Cato - March 17, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by catfish - March 17, 2013 at 11:25 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2013 at 8:47 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by Silver - March 17, 2013 at 10:37 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by EGross - March 21, 2013 at 5:27 am
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by Silver - March 23, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by Tonus - March 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by Silver - March 23, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by Silver - March 23, 2013 at 11:51 pm
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by catfish - March 24, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by ciko83 - March 27, 2013 at 7:17 am
RE: Theists: what does your god want for you? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 11, 2013 at 12:45 pm

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