RE: God & Objective Morals
April 24, 2013 at 12:45 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2013 at 12:51 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 24, 2013 at 10:30 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Now in the case of disputes, even the opinions of judges vary also. So if there is to be any way of determining between judges, you must be able to appeal to a higher standard to which even judges are compared. It seems to me that religion provides such a higher standard in the form of an Ultimate Judge to which every one is held accountable.
The bolded bit is precisely what eradicates the notion of the italicized bit. You've accepted that we must be able to appeal - and then in the next breath arbitrarily made a limit to those appeals and called it the "ultimate judge". Why can't the first judge be the ultimate judge, why appeal anyway? What point is there in having appeals which terminate at some point defined by you?
I think I've already asked this in this thread -but just to be sure- what would a god ave to do with whether or not something was arbitrary? Adding a god does not remove the notion that any given moral standard could be or is arbitrary. You'll need more.
I, the "ultimate judge" declare so and so to be x morally valued by reference to this objective standard that exists independently of me - then the ultimate judge is superfluous, and the moral value is not dependent upon the existence of said judge.
I, the "ultimate judge" declare so and so to be x morally valued because it arises from me - and I am x morally valued -then it is arbitrary, whatever the ultimate judge was would be x morally valued - even if it were a diametrically opposed proposition.
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