(April 25, 2013 at 7:57 am)bladevalant546 Wrote: ((Good, back in my apologectic days (I was a rather potent one). Most of the atheists claim objectivity. And Yes I dont know is the most intellectually honest thing a person can say. And yes I agree with you on religions.))
No doubt there are atheists that claim objectivity, but that doesn't reflect on all of us, because in the end there's nothing to really claim objective knowledge of. When you join a religion you're given to believing in a god or creator, and no matter the individual reasons for believing, one does so in order to gain the benefits of that god's favor and avoid the detriments of his wrath. Implicit in this is assumed knowledge that such a god exists- after all, why would you follow a religion if you didn't think the god it worships exist?
Meanwhile, atheism can take on any shade of asserted knowledge, from my own preferred "I don't know," to a hardline "no gods, no sir, no how," stance, and while those are both atheism, they aren't reflective of Atheism as a concept.
Quote:((I honestly agree with your statement as you explained above. Atheism does not make a claim in regards to creators (or lack thereof) more the idea of our perceptions of gods? Correct me if I am wrong.))
Got it in one. My claim is about my lack of concrete knowledge, and implicit in that is an acceptance of the possibility of a conscious cause for the universe, even a guiding hand in the creation and execution of life; I just don't know what it is, and think that if it does exist it's being remarkably subtle. Religious claims give that creator a form and shape and thoughts, but haven't been able to provide support for any of that; in short, there could be a creator, but it doesn't seem like it's the one any given theist is thinking of.
Quote:((Thanks for the answers, it kinda broadens my view on atheism, as stated I used to be a pretty good (atleast I thought so) apologist. And you really only see a small part of athiesm.
It's good that you're asking questions. The absolute best thing that one can do is expose themselves to viewpoints that they disagree with, or even just haven't been exposed to before. There's myriad uses for that, including plain old entertainment.

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