RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence?
April 27, 2013 at 11:21 pm
(April 27, 2013 at 10:54 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Atheism was not a choice, for me.
If the physical reality is causally closed then your belief is the inevitable outcome of the initial conditions of the universe. Otherwise, you made a choice.
(April 27, 2013 at 10:54 pm)Ryantology Wrote: ...the real world forced me to abandon a viewpoint which was not compatible with it. The only way choice played into this was choosing not to deny the obvious any longer.
Well hopefully you'll come to understand that the atheistic viewpoint conflicts with other obvious facts about reality, something readily admitted by atheist philosophers like Nagel and Searle.
(April 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I take a position which presupposes nothing.
And without which you can get nothing. I understand the sense of freedom and liberty nihilism affords. I used to relish it myself. But it's a hollow victory.
(April 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm)Ryantology Wrote: You fear uncertainty, chaos, and meaninglessness, so you cling to a childish fantasy being which purports to be orderly, certain, and the source of all meaning.
Project much. Your misguided certainty about what I believe is childish.
(April 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm)Ryantology Wrote: You believe in a worldview based upon violent stolen fairy tales, and I'm the one who is deluded? I don't hold a viewpoint which requires non-stop rationalization. I do not have to invent attributes for my god because science keeps encroaching on all possible avenues by which that god logically exists. Apologetics indicates a fundamental weakness in your position. And, the most beautiful thing is, if I'm wrong, it still doesn't mean you're right. There are tens of thousands of religions, cults, and sects which compete with yours, and all you can do is say "my god is real because my book says so and my book is right because god says so", or "he communicates with me shut up".
Wow! Your identity and self-worth are totally dependent on your conviction that your beliefs are superior to those of believers.